Meanwhile, back in the United States ...

[Bootstrap]

Without knowing more than I do about the situation, I think this has some comparisons to the January 6 violence. People in powerful positions (anyone with a big megaphone: politicians, media, activists) have the ability to say things that are interpreted in ways that beget violence. And then when it does beget violence, those who said those things backtrack and say it is too bad that the violence happened, they didn't intend for that to happen, etc.

In the Canadian thread, I think it's worth asking what those people are actually saying, in their own words. 1, 2, 3.

But this is an American thread. It's happening here, too. With swastikas and American flags.

Arson, Vandalism, and Other Destruction at Catholic Churches in the United States

At least 309 incidents have occurred across 43 states and the District of Columbia since May 2020. Incidents include arson, statues beheaded, limbs cut, smashed, and painted, gravestones defaced with swastikas and anti-Catholic language and American flags next to them burned, and other destruction and vandalism. This list shows incidents of vandalism, arson, or other destruction at Catholic sites that have been publicly reported in news media. It excludes incidents where circumstances suggest a motive other than hostility toward the Church.

[Josh]

It's amazing how you can loop almost any topic back around to swastikas, Hitler, and Nazis.

[Bootstrap]

It's amazing how you can loop almost any topic back around to swastikas, Hitler, and Nazis.

This is the main summary in the main article about arson against Catholic churches on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) website:

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) is an assembly of the hierarchy of bishops who jointly exercise pastoral functions on behalf of the Christian faithful of the United States and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

It's their wording, not mine. Feel free to ignore the swastikas if it helps you, they do show up in some places where there is arson or violence. But I think it's helpful to talk about arson against Catholic churches in the United States at the same time we discuss arson against Catholic churches in Canada. For the reasons Mike raised in the first place.

[Josh]

It's their wording, not mine. Feel free to ignore the swastikas if it helps you, they do show up in some places where there is arson or violence. But I think it's helpful to talk about arson against Catholic churches in the United States at the same time we discuss arson against Catholic churches in Canada. For the reasons Mike raised in the first place.

Are you alleging that the church burnings in Canada are somehow related to Nazis and swastikas?

I don't know a lot about Nazis or swastikas, but you seem to be our resident expert here. Is there some giant Nazi movement in Canada that I'm not aware of? That just coincidentally happens to kick off the same time the mass-grave allegations come out?

[JohnHurt]

Here is St. John's Church in Washington DC that was burned during the "mostly peaceful" protests in 2020.



Yep, that is "peaceful" alright. The nursery in the basement was burned before they could put out the fire.



In this next picture, notice the Swastika the protestors wrote on the wall:



Oops, sorry, BLM is not a swastika. Nothing to see here, except notice the upside down cross and the socialist/anarchist interpretation of Matt 19:24.

I think you have the wrong "Nazis" here. Or maybe you do have the right ones, after all.

Didn't George Soros work for the Nazis as a young man by showing which properties were owned by his fellow Jews so they could be confiscated by the Nazis?

And didn't George Soros fund BLM?

So this is tied to the Nazis, after all.

I understand the FBI is running all of the supposed "Nazi" groups, as well as the KKK groups to entrap anyone stupid enough to join. They are looking for a "few good men" to go to prison through entrapment.

Same way with January 6th.

Here is Rep Clay Higgins asking FBI Director Wray if there were any FBI agents dressed as Trump supporters on January 6th:



Higgins did not get an answer. Wray is under oath, and could have easily said "no". But Jan 6th was run by the FBI, and that is why Wray won't answer.

We are renaming January 6th each year as "National Entrapment Day" - until the FBi can prove they weren't responsible.

Same way with the supposed "Gretchen Whitmer Kidnapping Plot", it was organized by FBI assets, and two of the people were released because of the obvious entrapment.

When you see churches burning in Canada, ask yourself "cui bono", or "who benefits?" Some of these church burnings are associated with Native American churches, and the outcome is an attempt to divide and conquer, which benefits the Trudeau regime.

Remember when a large part of Canada burned and smoke went all over the USA? Arson occurred in northern Ontario - hundred of miles apart - all at the same time. A single individual or even several people could not have done this. This was the Trudeau Regime's attempt at convincing us of "global warming". It backfired on them. People started doubting that having this many fires - at the same time - was a natural occurrence. It had to be the Canadian government doing it. No one else had a reason to do so. And no one was ever charged with this arson, because they won't investigate themselves.

The same people are behind the church fires in Canada. It is not the Nazis, they would not benefit from this behavior - it would destroy them. But a desperate Canadian government, that will probably be voted out before October 2025, they are grasping at straws to find a "bogey man" that they can use to divert you from looking at their own incompetency.

Yes, "cui bono" or "who benefits" will give you a better idea of who is responsible.

[Bootstrap]

It's their wording, not mine. Feel free to ignore the swastikas if it helps you, they do show up in some places where there is arson or violence. But I think it's helpful to talk about arson against Catholic churches in the United States at the same time we discuss arson against Catholic churches in Canada. For the reasons Mike raised in the first place.

Are you alleging that the church burnings in Canada are somehow related to Nazis and swastikas?

I don't know a lot about Nazis or swastikas, but you seem to be our resident expert here. Is there some giant Nazi movement in Canada that I'm not aware of? That just coincidentally happens to kick off the same time the mass-grave allegations come out?

I'm not alleging anything in particular, but I am observing that in the United States, it's not related to Canadian residential schools. And that the police in Canada say they have not yet captured an arsonist whose motives were clearly related to Canadian residential schools.

There are other reasons for arson, in both the United States and Canada.

[Josh]

I'm not alleging anything in particular, but I am observing that in the United States, it's not related to Canadian residential schools. And that the police in Canada say they have not yet captured an arsonist whose motives were clearly related to Canadian residential schools.

There are other reasons for arson, in both the United States and Canada.

It's interesting how quick you are to leap to blame Hitler, Nazis, swatiskas, and everything else for church burnings. Is that really what you think is making it go on in Canada?

I also note you say that we need to wait for other reasons to show up, police investigations, etc. yet at the same time you seem eager to jump to conclusions about the Canadian mass graves or lack thereof. Why don't you show the same restraint to wait until the police say they have figured out exactly what happened to missing children, unmarked graves, and so forth?

[Bootstrap]

I'm not alleging anything in particular, but I am observing that in the United States, it's not related to Canadian residential schools. And that the police in Canada say they have not yet captured an arsonist whose motives were clearly related to Canadian residential schools.

There are other reasons for arson, in both the United States and Canada.

It's interesting how quick you are to leap to blame Hitler, Nazis, swatiskas, and everything else for church burnings. Is that really what you think is making it go on in Canada?

I think your problem is with the Catholic church. When they say what is happening in the United States, their main summary page says this:

Arson, Vandalism, and Other Destruction at Catholic Churches in the United States

At least 309 incidents have occurred across 43 states and the District of Columbia since May 2020. Incidents include arson, statues beheaded, limbs cut, smashed, and painted, gravestones defaced with swastikas and anti-Catholic language and American flags next to them burned, and other destruction and vandalism. This list shows incidents of vandalism, arson, or other destruction at Catholic sites that have been publicly reported in news media. It excludes incidents where circumstances suggest a motive other than hostility toward the Church.

That's the summary for an article they call "Backgrounder: Attacks on Catholic Churches in the U.S." This is what the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops says is happening. It's their explanation, not mine.

And I quoted it without comment. Perhaps we can discuss what they say, and the evidence they give?

[Bootstrap]

Here is one of the op-eds that the "backgrounder" page points to:

We Preach Love! Why Do Some Hate Us?

When people attack religion, faith, the churches, mosques, synagogues, or, worse, persons, our entire culture, society, and common good are weakened and threatened.

These disturbed people of hate are shrewd. Nihilists and anarchists know that to wreck civilization, it is effective to target those who nobly advocate for the dignity of the human person and the sacredness of all human life—and that means people of faith and their houses of worship. While we pray for these culprits, we condemn their acts.

Remember when the forces of the Kaiser invaded neutral Belgium at the opening of the dreadful and bloody First World War, in 1914, and the first assault was upon the library of the acclaimed Catholic University of Louvain? The thugs bragged that they wanted to burn to the ground that repository of culture, values, faith and identity in a country they wanted to subdue.

Thank God the voices in this community—law enforcement, politicians, the press, and leaders of all faiths, are boldly condemning these hate crimes!

Memorial Day reminded us that “freedom is never free!” Those courageous men and women who served their country, whom we reverently and gratefully remembered last Monday, fought to preserve our God-given liberties, that of religion listed as first in the Bill of Rights.

Where is the outrage? As I observed to the congregation at Temple Emanu-El at their Sabbath prayer last Friday, an attack on one is an attack on all. We preach love! Why do some hate us?

[Josh]

Would you mind telling us exactly what political alignment you are alleging is doing things like burning American flags?