It’s a sin and a crime, comparable to for-hire-murder, or the death penalty, which are not referred to as interstate commerce.
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Question. Is it wrong for him to do that? I say no. What do candidates do when running? Point out their accomplishments. They ALL do this. He should be given credit for it. His campaign promise was to appoint conservative judges to Supreme Court. He almost miraculously had the opportunity to appoint 3 in his one term. That enabled the SC to finally reverse the 50 year old ruling. I don't care how many times he has to remind the public of what he did accomplish because his "haters" including those on this forum; enjoy making him look bad constantly. Isn't it only right to defend what he accomplished? Without his appointments to Supreme Court: do YOU think Roe V Wade would have been reversed?
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It seems a spiritual battle as well. Here you have Governor of CA in his revenge, going tob7 red states with abortion restrictions, spending tax payers money to advertise for women to come to CA for abortions. CA made abortions legal in 1967, before Roe V Wade.Ken wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:03 pmYes, abortion is interstate commerce. People cross state lines for surgical abortions and abortion medications are produced and distributed across state lines. They are also regulated by the FDA.
It is "commerce" because people pay for it. Whether in the form of a service (surgical abortion) or a good (medical abortion).
The Constitution (Article 1) also provide Congress with the power to pass laws and tax levies to provide for the "general welfare" of the United States and one could argue that abortion (either pro or con) relates to the general welfare of the country.
Newsome even quoted Jesus on his billboards inviting women to CA.
Who else do we know but Satan himself using Scripture to tempt evil? Or twisting God's words??
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So here's the Democrat who many believe wants to be president; using Scripture to support abortion.
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What will actually happen in the 2024 general election is the opposite. Democrats will make every effort to tie Dobbs around Trump's neck as an anchor. And Trump, by contrast, will make every effort to disavow the key central role he played in it. Which you accurately characterize.Valerie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 6:23 amQuestion. Is it wrong for him to do that? I say no. What do candidates do when running? Point out their accomplishments. They ALL do this. He should be given credit for it. His campaign promise was to appoint conservative judges to Supreme Court. He almost miraculously had the opportunity to appoint 3 in his one term. That enabled the SC to finally reverse the 50 year old ruling. I don't care how many times he has to remind the public of what he did accomplish because his "haters" including those on this forum; enjoy making him look bad constantly. Isn't it only right to defend what he accomplished? Without his appointments to Supreme Court: do YOU think Roe V Wade would have been reversed?
Because Trump is nothing if not a political animal and he understands that this is not a popular issue for him to run on in the general election. Only 39% of Americans and only 36% of Independents (swing voters) agree with the Dobb's decision: https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/has-dobbs-d ... d-abortion
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There's nothing wrong about it, it's just ironic considering that he's criticized the six week ban and refuses to comment on the fifteen week ban.Valerie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 6:23 amQuestion. Is it wrong for him to do that? I say no. What do candidates do when running? Point out their accomplishments. They ALL do this. He should be given credit for it. His campaign promise was to appoint conservative judges to Supreme Court. He almost miraculously had the opportunity to appoint 3 in his one term. That enabled the SC to finally reverse the 50 year old ruling. I don't care how many times he has to remind the public of what he did accomplish because his "haters" including those on this forum; enjoy making him look bad constantly. Isn't it only right to defend what he accomplished? Without his appointments to Supreme Court: do YOU think Roe V Wade would have been reversed?
Like Ken said, Trump is aware that abortion bans are politically unpopular and therefore he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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The remarkable thing is how consistently pro life DJT has been, with this possibly being the first-only questionable comment.
I don’t happen to know anyone who sees him as flawless, regardless of assertions on this forum and elsewhere.
The only thing more consistent on forum and elsewhere is the unrestrained effort to destroy him, with or without basis.
i prefer to withhold speculation until learning more about his position - from him.
To repeat, “who knew” of the depth of passion to kill innocents for profit that would be immediately unleashed??!
Passions so great they could throw elections.
If anything is to be scrutinized, THAT should be the starting point.
Priorities, anyone?
I don’t happen to know anyone who sees him as flawless, regardless of assertions on this forum and elsewhere.
The only thing more consistent on forum and elsewhere is the unrestrained effort to destroy him, with or without basis.
i prefer to withhold speculation until learning more about his position - from him.
To repeat, “who knew” of the depth of passion to kill innocents for profit that would be immediately unleashed??!
Passions so great they could throw elections.
If anything is to be scrutinized, THAT should be the starting point.
Priorities, anyone?
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Re: Trump on abortion restrictions: "a terrible thing", "a terrible mistake"
Yes, I think most Americans would support, say, a ban on abortions somewhere between 15 weeks and 24 weeks, with some exceptions. Which is what Trump is saying here. Trump is very much playing politician here, asking what can win. I think he is guessing that the political calculus around abortion is different now than it was in 2016.Robert wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:32 pmHe thinks that what Desantis did wrong was not negotiate an agreement from both sides but forced a number. I am NOT saying I agree with him, but he clearly thinks this can be negotiated, as he thinks all things can.
I do think the majority of US citizens thinks there is a middle ground and it could be a good starting point. This is my perspective of what Trump meant here.
But this is pretty far from the position of the Right-to-Life groups that promoted Trump, isn't it?
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Here's a nice summary graph - even most Republicans do not support a ban at 6 weeks. I think this is the political calculus for Trump.
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Since 2016 anyway. Back in 1999 he was pro-choice.
Meanwhile, in 1982 Senator Biden voted in favor of a constitutional amendment to overturn Roe v. Wade. (Caveats: The vote was in the Judiciary Committee and did not advance to the full Senate. A year later, he voted against a similar measure.)
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Re: Trump on abortion restrictions: "a terrible thing", "a terrible mistake"
Well, from 2016 until 2023. I don't think Trump is saying the same thing today that he said in 2016.ohio jones wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:12 pmSince 2016 anyway. Back in 1999 he was pro-choice.
Meanwhile, in 1982 Senator Biden voted in favor of a constitutional amendment to overturn Roe v. Wade. (Caveats: The vote was in the Judiciary Committee and did not advance to the full Senate. A year later, he voted against a similar measure.)
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