Alternate Electors, 2019 Presidential Election

[Josh]

The individuals involved in the alternate elector's scheme range from 55 to 82 years old. I hope the judges presiding over these cases have common sense and do not put these elderly people in prison to die there. Community service would be a much better option (if they are able). However, we know from the past, that anything or anyone pertaining to being pro Trump, will receive the harshest sentence possible.

At the same time, they demand leniency for 18 year olds who conduct carjackings and rob old ladies at ATMs, and tell us it’s our fault for not “investing in communities”.

Maybe the electors should move to SF first and try to smash a bunch of car windows first.

[Ken]

The individuals involved in the alternate elector's scheme range from 55 to 82 years old. I hope the judges presiding over these cases have common sense and do not put these elderly people in prison to die there. Community service would be a much better option (if they are able). However, we know from the past, that anything or anyone pertaining to being pro Trump, will receive the harshest sentence possible.

It is actually Republicans who are obsessed with imposing huge sentences for electoral fraud.

Texas Republicans just made a felony with a 20 year maximum sentence to cast a single fraudulent vote in Texas. Yes, 20 years: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politic ... igns-bill/ And Texas has imposed 5 year prison sentences on people who inadvertently cast a single provisional vote in an election that was not even counted: https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/11 ... ing-texas/

These people in Michigan tried to knowingly and fraudulently invalidate nearly 3 million votes. Or to put it another way, they tried to fraudulently cast 16 electoral votes on behalf of 5.5 million Michigan voters. That somehow seems more serious to me.

[JimFoxvog]

There was no coordinated fraud nor conspiracy.

I think that should be for a jury to decide. Some information suggests otherwise.

And I am especially disappointed to see folks like you, Jim, who normally would advocate for restorative justice and against unnecessarily harsh prison sentences calling to throw people in prison and lock away the key for merely being political losers.

No, that's not what I'm calling for. No punishment for being political losers whatsoever. Restorative justice could call for them to admit they were wrong and pay appropriate damages. If their leader will not admit he was wrong, and he continues to foment fraud and violence, a sentence that prevents his communication to his followers, not a life sentence, would be better.

[Bootstrap]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot
Wiki Article

It's a serious crime. It's a blatant attempt to steal an election. The entire election.

A scheme was devised after the 2020 United States presidential election by then-president Donald Trump and his allies in seven key states to create and submit fraudulent certificates of ascertainment that falsely asserted Trump had won the electoral college vote in those states. The intent of the scheme was to pass the fraudulent certificates to then-vice president Mike Pence in the hope he would count them, rather than the authentic certificates, and thus overturn Joe Biden's victory. This effort was predicated on a fringe legal theory outlined by Trump attorney John Eastman in the Eastman memos, which claimed the vice president has constitutional discretion to swap out official electors with an alternate slate during the certification process, thus changing the outcome of the electoral college vote and the overall winner of the presidential race. This scheme came to be known as the Pence Card.

Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, a "central figure" in the plot, coordinated the scheme across the seven states. In a conference call hosted by an election security watchdog group on January 2nd, Trump, Eastman, and Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to persuade them to convene special legislative sessions to replace legitimate Biden electors with fake Trump electors based on unfounded allegations of vote fraud; dozens of those legislators asked Pence to delay the election certification for that purpose. Trump pressured the Justice Department to falsely announce it had found election fraud, and he attempted to install a new acting attorney general who had drafted a letter falsely asserting such election fraud had been found in an attempt to persuade the Georgia legislature to convene and reconsider its Biden electoral votes.

Trump and Eastman asked Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel to enlist the committee's assistance in gathering fake "contingent" electors. A senator's aide tried to pass fraudulent certificates to Pence minutes before the vice president was to certify the election. The scheme was one of many elements in the attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election and is being investigated by the Justice Department and the January 6 committee. The January 6 committee's final report identified Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro as the plot's actual architect.