SCOTUS rules against Biden student loan handout

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Grace wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:15 pm
Ken wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:33 pm
Pelerin wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:19 am

When and where did Trump say either of these things? I wasn’t able to find anything like this.
In 2017 Trump released a list of 26 potential Supreme Court nominees and announced that he would ONLY be picking justices from this list. Here is his 2017 list: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/br ... ourt-list/

On that list there was one Hispanic justice (Federico Moreno) and one Black justice (Robert Young) who are ages 71 and 72, respectively. So absolutely everyone involved knew those were throw-away names and not candidates who Trump would actually ever pick for SCOTUS. No president ever nominates anyone over age 70 for the supreme court. The remainder of the list was composed of 20 white men and 4 white women. So it was clear to everyone involved that Trump was announcing he was only going to be picking Justices from a list of 20 white men and 4 white women. Which he did. His 3 picks came straight from that list.

He actually announced his list before the 2016 elections saying, If you elect me I will select my SCOTUS nominees only from this list.
Justices should be selected based on qualifications, not skin color. Ketanji Brown Jackson is an example of a supreme Court Justice being selected based on skin color. However she will always be remembered for having a past history of being being lenient on vile, evil kiddie porn purveyors, who didn't know when life begins, couldn't answer if unborn children feel pain, and thought you needed to be a biologist to know what a “woman” is.

Two other examples of people being selected for positions based on skin color and being woefully under qualified for the positions granted them. Kamala Harris and the White House press secretary KJP.
Do you know of any Black women who you think were chosen for their jobs based on their qualifications?
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Sliceitup wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:27 pm Do you know of any Black women who you think were chosen for their jobs based on their qualifications?
Plenty. An example would be Condeleeza Rice, for an example from a presedential-level office.

(Is there a reason you decided to start capitalising "black"?)
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Josh wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:02 pm
Sliceitup wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:27 pm Do you know of any Black women who you think were chosen for their jobs based on their qualifications?
Plenty. An example would be Condeleeza Rice, for an example from a presedential-level office.

(Is there a reason you decided to start capitalising "black"?)
I think it’s that way in the current AP stylebook. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t. It depends on my level of energy.
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Sliceitup wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:23 pm
Josh wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:02 pm
Sliceitup wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 6:27 pm Do you know of any Black women who you think were chosen for their jobs based on their qualifications?
Plenty. An example would be Condeleeza Rice, for an example from a presedential-level office.

(Is there a reason you decided to start capitalising "black"?)
I think it’s that way in the current AP stylebook. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t. It depends on my level of energy.
Do you always keep up to the latest AP style book updates to follow woke political trends? (No criticism if you do, but it is a rather odd personal choice.)
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Ken wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:28 pm
HondurasKeiser wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:48 pm
Ken wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:41 pm

Lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court and lower courts is not actually found anywhere in the Constitution. For that matter, neither is the size of the Supreme Court at 9 members.

In fact, the US is the only western Democracy that has lifetime appointments for judges. Just to cite some examples:

In the United Kingdom, Supreme Court Justices are selected by a non-partisan judicial commission which is required by law to base their selections on merit only. The commission forwards the name to the Lord Chancellor, Prime Minister and King. They cannot substitute an alternative choice but can only reject the choice and send it back to the Commission for reconsideration. Once appointed by the King, all British judges (not just the Supreme Court) have a mandatory retirement age of 75 (it was age 70 until a few years ago). There are no lifetime judicial appointments in the UK.

In France, Supreme Court justices serve single 9-year terms.

In Germany, all justices serve a single 12 year term and have mandatory retirement at age 68.

No western Democratic country other than the US has both lifetime appointments and no mandatory retirement age.
Yes, Ken every country is different. The UK doesn’t have a written constitution - is that a model to follow as well? Curious, when exactly did life-long appointments and the un-Democratic selection process become a concerning issue for you?
No, actually every other country limits Judicial tenure. The US is the only one that is different in that it doesn't.

I've always been concerned about unaccountable life-long tenure to public positions of immense responsibility. Whether we are talking about Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Clarence Thomas or anyone else.
Yes, so what? Our system works just fine and I see few if any modern examples of justices past their prime. There are no Feinsteins or Fettermans on the Court nor have there been that I can recall.
Additionally, a little lexical and legal research shows that yours is a misreading of Article III. The “good behavior” phrasing comes in from the Common Law and means lifetime tenure in modern parlance.
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HondurasKeiser wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:43 pm
Ken wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:28 pm
HondurasKeiser wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 3:48 pm

Yes, Ken every country is different. The UK doesn’t have a written constitution - is that a model to follow as well? Curious, when exactly did life-long appointments and the un-Democratic selection process become a concerning issue for you?
No, actually every other country limits Judicial tenure. The US is the only one that is different in that it doesn't.

I've always been concerned about unaccountable life-long tenure to public positions of immense responsibility. Whether we are talking about Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Clarence Thomas or anyone else.
Yes, so what? Our system works just fine and I see few if any modern examples of justices past their prime. There are no Feinsteins or Fettermans on the Court nor have there been that I can recall.
Additionally, a little lexical and legal research shows that yours is a misreading of Article III. The “good behavior” phrasing comes in from the Common Law and means lifetime tenure in modern parlance.
That is the way that it is interpreted. But it doesn't explicitly say that and hasn't actually ever been litigated.
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Josh wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:36 pm
Sliceitup wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:23 pm
Josh wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:02 pm

Plenty. An example would be Condeleeza Rice, for an example from a presedential-level office.

(Is there a reason you decided to start capitalising "black"?)
I think it’s that way in the current AP stylebook. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t. It depends on my level of energy.
Do you always keep up to the latest AP style book updates to follow woke political trends? (No criticism if you do, but it is a rather odd personal choice.)
I wasn’t aware that occasionally following the AP stylebook is a sign of following woke political trends. I happen to follow the kind of people who complain whenever there’s an update that annoys them. Which is the only reason I’m really aware it exists.
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The AP style book change was one that came out of a political movement after the BLM riots of 2020. It is obviously aligned with a political movement, and choosing to follow it shows personal alignment with that political movement.
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Josh wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:19 pm The AP style book change was one that came out of a political movement after the BLM riots of 2020. It is obviously aligned with a political movement, and choosing to follow it shows personal alignment with that political movement.
Do you capitalize Amish? or Hispanic? or Asian or Jewish or Mennonite?
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Ken wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:25 pm
Josh wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:19 pm The AP style book change was one that came out of a political movement after the BLM riots of 2020. It is obviously aligned with a political movement, and choosing to follow it shows personal alignment with that political movement.
Do you capitalize Amish? or Hispanic? or Asian or Jewish or Mennonite?
Yes, and they have been for a long time. Whereas the custom was not to capitalise colours. Is there a particular reason to start?

Amish, Hispanic, Jewish, and Mennonite are all ethnic terms. Asian refers to a continent. African-American is obviously something that should be capitalised as it is two continents.

Black and white, on the other hand, are common nouns and are not ethnic groups, and it has never been the custom to capitalise them in reference to race or colour.
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