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If Trump deliberately hid classified documents.

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If this new story from The Guardian proves true then it shows not just criminal intent, but consciousness of guilt. Thes are two legal elements that could convict Trump once Special Counsel Jack Smith criminally charges him for stealing highly classified documents — and then lying about to federal investigators.
Trump lawyer said to have been waved off searching office for secret records

Exclusive: Evan Corcoran said he was steered away from Trump’s office, where the FBI later found the most sensitive materials


Donald Trump’s lawyer tasked with searching for classified documents at Mar-a-Lago after the justice department issued a subpoena told associates that he was waved off from searching the former president’s office, where the FBI later found the most sensitive materials anywhere on the property.

The lawyer, Evan Corcoran, recounted that several Trump aides had told him to search the storage room because that was where all the materials that had been brought from the White House at the end of Trump’s presidency ended up being deposited.

Corcoran found 38 classified documents in the storage room. He then asked whether he should search anywhere else, like Trump’s office, but was steered away, he told associates. Corcoran never searched the office and told prosecutors the 38 papers were the extent of the material at Mar-a-Lago.

The assertion that there were no classified documents elsewhere at the property proved to be wrong when the FBI seized 101 classified documents months afterwards, including from the office, which was found to be where the most highly classified documents had been located.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ent-search
We'll see how Corcoran's testimony holds up at the trial. Sadly, justice is so often delayed that the trial is apt to be during the active Presidential campaign.
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JimFoxvog wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 6:43 am
We'll see how Corcoran's testimony holds up at the trial. Sadly, justice is so often delayed that the trial is apt to be during the active Presidential campaign.
That is the intent and goal, to have a trial during an active Presidential campaign. He is gift fodder for the main stream media.

I am surprised that they didn't find a complicated network of companies set up benefiting him in the millions from shady, corrupt foreign sources. Or that he hide payments as a part of scheme in influence peddling. Maybe he acquired millions from foreign nationals providing what seems to be no services other than access and influence.
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There is no rule in American Jurisprudence that we set aside criminal proceedings during presidential campaigns. And former presidents are not above the law.

If Trump didn't want to face trials during political campaigns he shouldn't have committed crimes. Or maybe Republicans should choose a candidate who doesn't have so much legal baggage and who isn't so ethically compromised.
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Ken wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 10:13 am There is no rule in American Jurisprudence that we set aside criminal proceedings during presidential campaigns. And former presidents are not above the law.

If Trump didn't want to face trials during political campaigns he shouldn't have committed crimes. Or maybe Republicans should choose a candidate who doesn't have so much legal baggage and who isn't so ethically compromised.
What if only one party’s candidate is a target of such prosecutions whilst the other seems to go untouched?
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Josh wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 11:04 am
Ken wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 10:13 am There is no rule in American Jurisprudence that we set aside criminal proceedings during presidential campaigns. And former presidents are not above the law.

If Trump didn't want to face trials during political campaigns he shouldn't have committed crimes. Or maybe Republicans should choose a candidate who doesn't have so much legal baggage and who isn't so ethically compromised.
What if only one party’s candidate is a target of such prosecutions whilst the other seems to go untouched?
Sure, Biden should also be prosecuted for all the times he has paid off porn stars and illegally wrote the expense off his business taxes. And all those other times he tried to subvert state elections and interfere with the certification of elections. And any other candidates who did the same should also be prosecuted. And if it turns out that Biden interfered with and obstructed justice in FBI the search for classified documents on his property he should be prosecuted for that as well. Mike Pence as well if he did the same.

No one should be above the law. I agree 100%.
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While it's possible the title of the thread is true, the article quoted in the OP does not provide supporting evidence. From a later part of the article:
It was not clear who waved off Corcoran from searching elsewhere at Mar-a-Lago – whether it was Trump himself or Trump employees who advised him to look for classified documents in the storage room, according to an account of his testimony to the grand jury.
While Corcoran testified that Trump did not personally mislead him about where to search at Mar-a-Lago, he also acknowledged that Trump did not suggest he look anywhere else.
If someone other than Trump did the waving off, there's really nothing new here.
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ohio jones wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 1:56 pm While it's possible the title of the thread is true, the article quoted in the OP does not provide supporting evidence. From a later part of the article:
It was not clear who waved off Corcoran from searching elsewhere at Mar-a-Lago – whether it was Trump himself or Trump employees who advised him to look for classified documents in the storage room, according to an account of his testimony to the grand jury.
While Corcoran testified that Trump did not personally mislead him about where to search at Mar-a-Lago, he also acknowledged that Trump did not suggest he look anywhere else.
If someone other than Trump did the waving off, there's really nothing new here.
The fact that the Mar a Lago staff deliberately moved and hid documents in advance of FBI searches seems to be well documented. for example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... ar-a-lago/

Whether or not Trump was directly involved and knew about it will likely be the question for prosecutors as the will need to prove Trump's involvement in order to charge him with obstruction of justice. I expect they have a lot more information that hasn't necessarily been made public and won't be unless/until he is charged and it is introduced as evidence.

If he is never charged then whatever evidence is collected will likely be destroyed rather than made public as that is the standard procedure for investigations that don't result in charges.
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Can we say, Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton, etc?
I love the point that was made the other day that Trump was one president whose income went down when he became president of the United states. They are trying to figure out how Biden became so rich by serving the public all his life.
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Valerie wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:26 am Can we say, Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton, etc?
I love the point that was made the other day that Trump was one president whose income went down when he became president of the United states. They are trying to figure out how Biden became so rich by serving the public all his life.

That isn't hard to figure out. I would say, but this thread is about Trump and not about the "Big Guy" and his crime family, who acquired millions from foreign nationals,while providing no services other than access and influence.
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Grace wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 10:03 am That is the intent and goal, to have a trial during an active Presidential campaign. He is gift fodder for the main stream media.
I do not think it likely that that is the motivation of the investigating prosecutors.

According to another common opinion, the reason Trump is running is he hopes to use his status to avoid facing justice. Maybe more likely, but that also is not my opinion.
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