Oregon: $1,000 fine if you ask a homeless person to move

[Josh]

The bill would allow homeless people to 'use and move freely in public spaces without discrimination and time limitations' - essentially stating they can reside in parks and on other public land indefinitely without question.
'A person experiencing homelessness has a privacy interest and a reasonable expectation of privacy in any property belonging to the person, regardless of whether the property is located in a public space,' the bill adds.

It would grant people 'experiencing homelessness' the right to 'rest in public spaces and seek protection from adverse weather conditions'. The bill further promises the right to 'pray, meditate, worship or practice religion in public spaces without discrimination based on housing status.'

The bill also specifies a right to live in a vehicle or RV on public land 'provided that the vehicle is legally parked'.

Any person whose rights under the proposal are breached is entitled to 'compensatory damages or $1,000 per violation, whichever is greater'. Penalties of $1,000 could be given to anyone who's deemed to have harassed a homeless person.

In other news, Oregon just passed a $100 million budget for homeless “services” alongside a proposal for $1000 a month no questions asked cash.

Estimates are Oregon has 18,000 homeless people. In one city, they are 3% of the population yet over 50% of arrests.

[temporal1]

Life in Medieval York
http://www.historyofyork.org.uk/themes/ ... ieval-york

In the Middle Ages, York was home to great wealth and great squalor. It was noisy and crowded: the city was filled with narrow lanes crammed with houses. Some had yards where they kept pigs and other animals. But there were also gardens and orchards within the city, and the open country and farmland was never far away.

Documents suggest that the wealthy invested in property. The earliest, accurately dated house to survive is a two-storey terrace called Our Lady’s Row in Goodramgate, which dates back to 1316. As the 14th century progressed building techniques improved and thatched roofs were replaced by tiles.

Daily routines probably included a main meal in the afternoon – fish on a Friday – and a visit to church. The annual festivals and feast days all had a religious basis too. The St Peter’s or Lammas Fair was held on July 31 and was first recorded in the mid-12th century.

York was a smelly place. Butchers’ offal rotted in the ditches and streets. Privies were built on the city moat and Ouse Bridge. One 15th century account describes the city’s ‘great corruptions and horrible and pernicious air’.

The lane of Patrick Pool in 1249 was so deep in mire that it was unpassable. About the same time, the street paving in Bootham was in utter disrepair.

But York was also splendid and beautiful, particularly with the completion of the glorious Minster, imposing guild halls and other fine buildings. .. ..

So many today vote for it. They can’t get enough, thus vote for more.

[Ken]

The bill would allow homeless people to 'use and move freely in public spaces without discrimination and time limitations' - essentially stating they can reside in parks and on other public land indefinitely without question.
'A person experiencing homelessness has a privacy interest and a reasonable expectation of privacy in any property belonging to the person, regardless of whether the property is located in a public space,' the bill adds.

It would grant people 'experiencing homelessness' the right to 'rest in public spaces and seek protection from adverse weather conditions'. The bill further promises the right to 'pray, meditate, worship or practice religion in public spaces without discrimination based on housing status.'

The bill also specifies a right to live in a vehicle or RV on public land 'provided that the vehicle is legally parked'.

Any person whose rights under the proposal are breached is entitled to 'compensatory damages or $1,000 per violation, whichever is greater'. Penalties of $1,000 could be given to anyone who's deemed to have harassed a homeless person.

In other news, Oregon just passed a $100 million budget for homeless “services” alongside a proposal for $1000 a month no questions asked cash.

Estimates are Oregon has 18,000 homeless people. In one city, they are 3% of the population yet over 50% of arrests.

I actually looked it up. About 3,000 bills are introduced every year in the Oregon legislature. The vast majority including this one do not make it out of committee and then just die. Maybe 100 pass in any given year. The two legislators who proposed this bill could not even get enough of their own fellow Democratic committee members to even vote to advance it. The deadline for it to advance out of committee has come and gone so it is completely dead.

I suppose it is fun to argue about dead bills that were never going to pass anyway. One can certainly find lots of ridiculous and half-cocked and ridiculous bills gathering dust in state legislatures around the country as well. But there doesn't seem to be much point to it when there are real issues to discuss not imaginary ones.

[Josh]

I actually looked it up. About 3,000 bills are introduced every year in the Oregon legislature. The vast majority including this one do not make it out of committee and then just die. Maybe 100 pass in any given year. The two legislators who proposed this bill could not even get enough of their own fellow Democratic committee members to even vote to advance it. The deadline for it to advance out of committee has come and gone so it is completely dead.

I suppose it is fun to argue about dead bills that were never going to pass anyway. One can certainly find lots of ridiculous and half-cocked and ridiculous bills gathering dust in state legislatures around the country as well. But there doesn't seem to be much point to it when there are real issues to discuss not imaginary ones.

The moderate Democrats are the ones who aren’t passing these insane bills. But it shows us the general trend of how things are going. (The $100 million earmarked for 18,000 homeless people is, unfortunately a real bill that did pass - and I’m sure most of that money will line the pockets of executives and vendors to the vast nonprofit industry.)

[temporal1]

The moderate Democrats are the ones who aren’t passing these insane bills. But it shows us the general trend of how things are going. (The $100 million earmarked for 18,000 homeless people is,

unfortunately a real bill that did pass -
and I’m sure most of that money will line the pockets of executives and vendors to the vast nonprofit industry.)

“We” don’t like to admit it, but there is no material dfference in profiteers in the U.S. “system” than Honduras Keiser describes in Honduras wrt U.S. Foreign Aid. It doesn’t get to the intended people/problems. No “fixes.” Pirates promote MORE piracy.

Thing is, there was no astute human reasoning response to Middle Ages squalor+depravity. The BUBONIC PLAGUE was the horrifying game changer, not human reasoning/human law. Following years of crisis+death, doors opened for gratitude and renewed life.

Difference being, former peoples were smart enough to feel/experience gratitude.
i’m not so sure about today’s self-worshipping godless heathens. No matter how much suffering. “idols first!”

Gomer was a persistent dedicated sinner. God eventually won her over. Today?? - it’s not looking optimistic.

[RZehr]

…
I suppose it is fun to argue about dead bills that were never going to pass anyway. One can certainly find lots of ridiculous and half-cocked and ridiculous bills gathering dust in state legislatures around the country as well. But there doesn't seem to be much point to it when there are real issues to discuss not imaginary ones.

Here’s a real issue. These are the types of people who are in power in Oregon.
Oregons current Secretary of State moonlighting for a marijuana outfit for $10,000 per month plus $30,000 in bonus.
As two lawmakers put it: “This appears to be an ethics violation, and if it isn’t, then Oregon’s ethics laws are broken. An elected official cannot take funds for personal use from someone they regulate.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/oregon-secre ... 06900.html

[Valerie]

You just can't make this stuff up

[Ken]

I actually looked it up. About 3,000 bills are introduced every year in the Oregon legislature. The vast majority including this one do not make it out of committee and then just die. Maybe 100 pass in any given year. The two legislators who proposed this bill could not even get enough of their own fellow Democratic committee members to even vote to advance it. The deadline for it to advance out of committee has come and gone so it is completely dead.

I suppose it is fun to argue about dead bills that were never going to pass anyway. One can certainly find lots of ridiculous and half-cocked and ridiculous bills gathering dust in state legislatures around the country as well. But there doesn't seem to be much point to it when there are real issues to discuss not imaginary ones.

The moderate Democrats are the ones who aren’t passing these insane bills. But it shows us the general trend of how things are going. (The $100 million earmarked for 18,000 homeless people is, unfortunately a real bill that did pass - and I’m sure most of that money will line the pockets of executives and vendors to the vast nonprofit industry.)

It was a dumb bill and stood no chance of passing. But I also suspect you can't articulate the reasons for why it was proposed.

As for Oregon budgeting $100 million for homeless services? That is honestly just a drop in the bucket. And it mostly goes towards things like rent subsidies and transitional housing which will probably mostly help ordinary families that are down on their luck rather than the hard-core homeless vagrants who are that way due to mental illness and drugs (or choice). I'm not sure why you would think that is a bad thing. It will take a massive investment of public resources along with the political will to address the political reasons why we have a housing shortage in order to turn the corner on this problem.

[temporal1]

i know videos can be bothersome, but this one on Vancouver has practical insights.
“throwing good money after bad” is just too easy.

^^Yes, Josh, drugs are PRIMARY. The suffering is beyond description.
When i was young, there were some horrifying stories of Asian OPIUM DENS, now this.

In the SEATTLE topic, this video about VANCOUVER offered some insights about “where to start” with these problems.
They literally explained how HOUSING can be a NEGATIVE, bascally HIDING drug problems, again, fixing nothing.

Vancouver, BC, Canada is so close to Seattle .. in many ways.

AARON GUNN / Vancouver is Dying | Full Movie / 55min

Description:

What is happening to the city of Vancouver?

Who is responsible for the surge in violent crime?

And is the introduction of a “safe supply” of toxic drugs, including heroin and cocaine, really the solution the city needs?

Here's what you need to know

Politics Explained | Season 3 | Episode 1

This video actually offers some ANSWERS to the drug problem, which they view as the more important problem (over housing)!
They point to measures taken in PORTUGAL that have had positive, tangible results.

i have no idea who Aaron Gunn is, nor if there is any connection with this video and the one above / “Seattle is Dying.”

i just keep hoping people will stop voting for it.

^^Note: PORTUGAL is noted to have some answers.