EU countries sypathetic to Russia

[Josh]

We don't argue that parts of the US still belong to France, Mexico or various native people. Why do we say this about Ukraine?

America's borders are a tad older than 1991.

[Szdfan]

We don't argue that parts of the US still belong to France, Mexico or various native people. Why do we say this about Ukraine?

America's borders are a tad older than 1991.

I don't think that matters. By your logic, Germany was justified invading Poland in 1939 to get back territory it lost in 1918.

[ohio jones]

We don't argue that parts of the US still belong to France, Mexico or various native people. Why do we say this about Ukraine?

America's borders are a tad older than 1991.

Ukraine's borders didn't change in 1991, they go back to at least 1954.

How old does a border have to be before it's respected?

[Szdfan]

My simple definition of "democracy" stems from van Mises and Popper and says: A democracy is a country where people are able to dethrone their political leader by vote - if they want to. In this sense. Hungary and Russia are democracies - if the people wanted to dethrone Orban or Putin they simply had to vote for the opposition parties.

I think that if the system is rigged to ensure that those who are in power stay in power, it's no longer a democracy, but just democracy theater. In a healthy democracy, power frequently changes hands between opposition parties and competitors. If the same party stays in power for an extended period of time, something has gone wrong.

In Russia, opposition politician Vladimir Kara-Murza has just been sentenced to twenty-five years in prison for criticizing the war in Ukraine and being a member of an "undesirable organization." This isn't democracy, this is blatant authoritarianism.

[temporal1]

How old does a border have to be before it's respected?

pithy question.

[RZehr]

I think that if the system is rigged to ensure that those who are in power stay in power, it's no longer a democracy, but just democracy theater. In a healthy democracy, power frequently changes hands between opposition parties and competitors. If the same party stays in power for an extended period of time, something has gone wrong.

This fits most of Americas national and urban offices.

[Ernie]

No, it isn’t. This is a liberal talking point. Liberals are angry that 1 country isn’t supporting their all-out agenda. They demand complete control over every country and every institution.

I agree, But aren't conservatives also out to demand complete control over every country and every institution?

[Ernie]

How old does a border have to be before it's respected?

I don't know the answer, but if a country agrees to respect a certain border, than I don't think it is right or good or fair for a successive leadership to disregard that agreement.

[Josh]

No, it isn’t. This is a liberal talking point. Liberals are angry that 1 country isn’t supporting their all-out agenda. They demand complete control over every country and every institution.

I agree, But aren't conservatives also out to demand complete control over every country and every institution?

Conservatives are quite willing to share power and space with non-conservatives. Indeed, this is one of the things that make the two very different.

[Josh]

We don't argue that parts of the US still belong to France, Mexico or various native people. Why do we say this about Ukraine?

America's borders are a tad older than 1991.

Ukraine's borders didn't change in 1991, they go back to at least 1954.

How old does a border have to be before it's respected?

Back then it was just the USSR, and “Ukraine” was not a country.