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Can there be any doubt?
The question being, what will it take for citizens to call a halt, to stop wasting taxpayer time+money, to stop cheap theater, to do their mundane jobs?

.. you added “return” to riots ..
you mean the “nothing to see here” real violence and destruction. But of course.

As Sam Harris says, it’s all for the good.
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Falco Underhill wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:47 am
Grace wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:24 am
Falco Underhill wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:26 pm "MAGA Republicans are a domestic terror cell operating in America."

Biden's Press Secretary: MAGA is an extreme threat to our democracy.

Seems to be a theme here, eh? It's doubtful to me anyone will officially declare MAGA an American terrorist cell. Dems just want to try to spread MDS around as much as possible before the election.
How ironic that the administration Claims "Make America Great Again" Republicans are a threat to democracy and are fascists. Yet they rule by Executive order and not congressional voting, they just raided a political opponent's home, they mandated experimental injections, keep lying to Americans on the state of our economy, redefining "recession", etc. They made sure the Hunter Biden laptop story was suppressed, interfering in an election. All tactics by "fascists.

They presently are having the FBI "conduct litigation by leak" against a political opponent, where the government prevents others (including the target) from seeing key representations made to the court while releasing selective information to its own advantage. an act that shows utter contempt for the court, the public and a fair democratic judicial system. This is the same party that peddled the lie that Trump colluded with Russia, illegally spied on a political opponent, and pushed a fake dossier. All very "fascist" actions.

I am all for banning assault weapons, except for the military, but find it ironic that the same administration that left over 300,000 guns for the evil Taliban, condemns those opposed to gun control and calls them "fascists".

It is amusing that the press secretary, when asked about examples of violent Republican rhetoric, mentioned Ron DeSantis' comment that Fauci
should "be thrown across the Potomac River". She said DeSantis was threatening to assault Fauci. Yet in 2018 Biden emphatically said that he would like to "Take Trump behind the gym and beat the h*^** out of him". I wonder where that would fall in "threatening to assault" someone"?

And they lie,lie, lie and lie some more. Press secretary claims MAGA Republicans want to take the constitutional right of abortion away from women. Abortion was NEVER a constitutional right. She never mentions that abortion rights aren't taken away, but given back to the states.

Biden and the press secretary lie when he say that Republicans are against funding the police. Not a single Republican was against funding the police, but they were against Biden's $1.9 trillion pork-filled spending bill. The WH argument is that some of the money went to state local governments that could have theoretically gone to police.

And now after Democrats spent years demonizing police as thugs, racists and white supremacists, it’s election season and crime is rampant so Biden says, let’s pretend we’re for law and order and support the police. Biden and the Democrats are the “Defund the Police” party. VP Harris raised funds for an organization that bails out cop killers. Just recently one of them came out and murdered another person.

This administration is EVERYTHING they accused the Prior administration of doing or being! Is this all the Democrats and Biden have to run on this November? Anti-MAGA?

I could say much more but will stop my rant.
They are probably terrified at the prospect of Republicans turning the tables after the upcoming election and investigating them. This rhetoric is a preemptive strike against that possibility, plus it sets the stage for a narrative that any investigation into THEM will be run by "MAGA terrorists."

This rhetoric may well heat up to fever pitch soon.

Who wants to bet there will be new BLM/Antifa race riots by BLM/Antifa if it even LOOKS LIKE Republicans will win many seats?

Ben Shapiro / Biden Just Called YOU a "Semi-Fascist" / 7min


Notice how similar biden’s hawkish rhetoric aimed at Putin is with how he addresses half+ of legal law-abiding U.S. citizens.
Evidently, straight-up sober. J Trudeau would be proud.
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Judge Declares Elected Official an 'Insurrectionist,' Strips Him from Position & Bars Him from Future Office
A New Mexico judge has issued a declaratory judgment that an elected official, county commissioner Couy Griffin, is an "insurrectionist." The judge has stripped the elected official from his position and rendered him unable to hold future public office.

"The judge’s order grabbed the attention of advocates across the country who have been pushing to use the 14th Amendment to disqualify former President Donald J. Trump"...

A New Mexico judge has issued a declaratory judgment that an elected official, county commissioner Couy Griffin, is an "insurrectionist." The judge has stripped the elected official from his position and rendered him unable to hold future public office.

"A judge in New Mexico on Tuesday ordered a county commissioner convicted of participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol removed from office under the 14th Amendment, making him the first public official in more than a century to be barred from serving under a constitutional ban on insurrectionists holding office," the New York Times reported.

“Mr. Griffin is constitutionally disqualified from serving,” the judge wrote.

The [New York] Times report points to the judge's order as evidence that Donald Trump could be blocked from presidential re-election.

"The ruling declared the Capitol assault an insurrection and unseated Couy Griffin, a commissioner in New Mexico’s Otero County and the founder of Cowboys for Trump, who was convicted earlier this year of trespassing when he breached barricades outside the Capitol during the attack," the report added. "The judge’s order grabbed the attention of advocates across the country who have been pushing to use the 14th Amendment to disqualify former President Donald J. Trump and elected officials who worked with him in seeking to overturn the 2020 election from holding office in the future."

Griffin, however, was not convicted of "insurrection" under federal law. He was convicted of trespassing. This has not stopped the New York Times and radical advocacy groups from crowing about the judicial evisceration of due process.

“This just went from being theoretical to being something that is legally recognized and legally possible,” said Noah Bookbinder, director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “That’s hugely significant. It could have real implications for protecting the country from people associated with the effort to overturn the last election.”

There is no substantive evidence that the January 6 rioters were attempting to "overturn the last election." There was no realistic mechanism for doing so and the rioters inside of the Capitol building did not carry firearms.

"The judge’s order grabbed the attention of advocates across the country who have been pushing to use the 14th Amendment to disqualify former President Donald J. Trump"...

A New Mexico judge has issued a declaratory judgment that an elected official, county commissioner Couy Griffin, is an "insurrectionist." The judge has stripped the elected official from his position and rendered him unable to hold future public office.

"A judge in New Mexico on Tuesday ordered a county commissioner convicted of participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol removed from office under the 14th Amendment, making him the first public official in more than a century to be barred from serving under a constitutional ban on insurrectionists holding office," the New York Times reported.

“Mr. Griffin is constitutionally disqualified from serving,” the judge wrote.

The Times report points to the judge's order as evidence that Donald Trump could be blocked from presidential re-election.

"The ruling declared the Capitol assault an insurrection and unseated Couy Griffin, a commissioner in New Mexico’s Otero County and the founder of Cowboys for Trump, who was convicted earlier this year of trespassing when he breached barricades outside the Capitol during the attack," the report added. "The judge’s order grabbed the attention of advocates across the country who have been pushing to use the 14th Amendment to disqualify former President Donald J. Trump and elected officials who worked with him in seeking to overturn the 2020 election from holding office in the future."

Griffin, however, was not convicted of "insurrection" under federal law. He was convicted of trespassing. This has not stopped the New York Times and radical advocacy groups from crowing about the judicial evisceration of due process.

“This just went from being theoretical to being something that is legally recognized and legally possible,” said Noah Bookbinder, director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “That’s hugely significant. It could have real implications for protecting the country from people associated with the effort to overturn the last election.”

There is no substantive evidence that the January 6 rioters were attempting to "overturn the last election." There was no realistic mechanism for doing so and the rioters inside of the Capitol building did not carry firearms.

The judge's ruling drew on New Mexico's constitutional prohibition against "insurrectionists" holding office, but his ruling threw in a reference to the 14th Amendment, which states that “no person shall” hold “any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath” to “support the Constitution,” had then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Radical groups have filed legal challenges in Arizona, New Mexico, North Carolina and Wisconsin to attempt to block lawmakers from holding public office, while citing the January 6 riots. The New Mexico ruling is the only one thus far to have succeeded.

A similar challenge to Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's candidacy failed due to insufficient evidence to prove that the Georgia lawmaker participated in it. The judge also unilaterally decided the Jan. 6 event at the Capitol qualified as an "insurrection," despite the substantial evidence to the contrary that it was a riot.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has not been able to produce evidence that Donald Trump was behind the January 6 events that have been misleadingly characterized by the media as an “insurrection” or a “coup.”

“The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials,” Reuters reported in August.

“Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations,” the report continued.

“Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases,” said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. “Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages.”
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It’s a tad concerning when some federal judge sets new precedent (nobody has tried using this relevant law since the 19th century) to remove a duly-elected county-level official.

Basically, the federal government seems think it exists in authority over the states, not the other way around. And that’s very concerning.
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Sorry about that last post. I'm posting in a hurry with little time to proofread. (Always a bad idea!)

Judge Declares Elected Official an 'Insurrectionist,' Strips Him from Position & Bars Him from Future Office
"A judge in New Mexico on Tuesday ordered a county commissioner convicted of participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol removed from office under the 14th Amendment, making him the first public official in more than a century to be barred from serving under a constitutional ban on insurrectionists holding office," the New York Times reported.

“Mr. Griffin is constitutionally disqualified from serving,” the judge wrote.

The [New York] Times report points to the judge's order as evidence that Donald Trump could be blocked from presidential re-election.

"The ruling declared the Capitol assault an insurrection and unseated Couy Griffin, a commissioner in New Mexico’s Otero County and the founder of Cowboys for Trump, who was convicted earlier this year of trespassing when he breached barricades outside the Capitol during the attack," the report added. "The judge’s order grabbed the attention of advocates across the country who have been pushing to use the 14th Amendment to disqualify former President Donald J. Trump and elected officials who worked with him in seeking to overturn the 2020 election from holding office in the future."

Griffin, however, was not convicted of "insurrection" under federal law. He was convicted of trespassing. This has not stopped the New York Times and radical advocacy groups from crowing about the judicial evisceration of due process.

There is no substantive evidence that the January 6 rioters were attempting to "overturn the last election." There was no realistic mechanism for doing so and the rioters inside of the Capitol building did not carry firearms..

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has not been able to produce evidence that Donald Trump was behind the January 6 events that have been misleadingly characterized by the media as an “insurrection” or a “coup.”

“The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials,” Reuters reported in August.

“Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations,” the report continued.

“Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases,” said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. “Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages.”

A similar challenge to Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene's candidacy failed due to insufficient evidence to prove that the Georgia lawmaker participated in it. The judge also unilaterally decided the Jan. 6 event at the Capitol qualified as an "insurrection," despite the substantial evidence to the contrary that it was a riot.
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Josh wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:38 am It’s a tad concerning when some federal judge sets new precedent (nobody has tried using this relevant law since the 19th century) to remove a duly-elected county-level official.

Basically, the federal government seems think it exists in authority over the states, not the other way around. And that’s very concerning.
Especially because nobody was convicted of insurrection. This was just a unilateral declaration by the judge. I hope somebody appeals this.
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Falco Underhill wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:58 am
Josh wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:38 am It’s a tad concerning when some federal judge sets new precedent (nobody has tried using this relevant law since the 19th century) to remove a duly-elected county-level official.

Basically, the federal government seems think it exists in authority over the states, not the other way around. And that’s very concerning.
Especially because nobody was convicted of insurrection. This was just a unilateral declaration by the judge. I hope somebody appeals this.
The federal judge declared the trespassing = insurrection, which is quite a leap.
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Josh wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:02 am
Falco Underhill wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:58 am
Josh wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 7:38 am It’s a tad concerning when some federal judge sets new precedent (nobody has tried using this relevant law since the 19th century) to remove a duly-elected county-level official.

Basically, the federal government seems think it exists in authority over the states, not the other way around. And that’s very concerning.
Especially because nobody was convicted of insurrection. This was just a unilateral declaration by the judge. I hope somebody appeals this.
The federal judge declared the trespassing = insurrection, which is quite a leap.
Last time anyone was barred from office for insurrection was after the Civil War, if they fought on the southern side.

The Civil War was an insurrection. To compare the J6 riot with the Civil War is ridiculous.
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Falco Underhill wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:02 amLast time anyone was barred from office for insurrection was after the Civil War, if they fought on the southern side.

The Civil War was an insurrection. To compare the J6 riot with the Civil War is ridiculous.
The FBI is currently busy going around raiding the homes of people who are suspected to have supported Trump. The powers that be seem to want another insurrection / civil war really, really badly.
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i thought of this topic when viewing:

LARRY ELDER-MARK TOPSON / “What Is It With These Privileged Yet Incredibly Angry Leftwing Actors?” / 26min
Description:
“Joining me to discuss.
This is Mark Topson the co-author of “the 20 dumbest Hollywood hate mongers “
He is the Shillman Fellow on Popular Culture
for the David Horowitz Freedom Center”
19:00 mark: Carlos Santana:
“You’re getting hung up on the facts, man.”


Prior to something that went terribly wrong in U.S. 20th Century culture, throughout history, all cultures viewed entertainers (court jesters, et al.) as the lessers (the dregs of society). These were not put on pedestals to worship. They were not counselors/advisors to kings or world leaders.

Decent families did not invite them to dinner, or send their children to be among them, or, marry them! :shock:
True in the U.S., too. Until .. ?? Something changed in the 20th Century, entertainers were allowed to become very wealthy, then, they began creeping evermore into the mainstream. Today, many are worshipped, they love it and want it. Nothing is too much.

Entertainers were thought to be less educated, unholy, toyed with or were drenched in all descriptions carnal sins, circus workers.
Then, circus workers were allowed to become very wealthy. Money changes things. A circus is a circus. Whether Ancient Rome, Ancient China, or contemporary hollywood.

Sacred cows.
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