RZehr wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:22 pm
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:00 pmWell, before we howl too much here, let's take a look at what Derek was actually convicted of. According to GPT, he was convicted of:
- Second-Degree Unintentional Murder: Chauvin was convicted of second-degree unintentional murder, which means that he caused George Floyd's death without intent while committing a felony, in this case, assault.
- Third-Degree Murder: He was also convicted of third-degree murder, indicating that his actions were reckless and without regard for human life.
- Second-Degree Manslaughter: Chauvin was convicted of second-degree manslaughter, signifying that he acted with culpable negligence and created an unreasonable risk of causing death or great bodily harm.
To me, that doesn't sound outrageous. He was not convicted of first degree premeditated murder.
And I think that these convictions are strong evidence that what happened that day was not, in fact, premeditated murder. Even in spite the legal charges having the word murder in them, the actual described legal definitions of these charges are not compatible with the colloquial and dictionary definition of murder.
- "Unintentional Murder" is a legal thing that exists. There is no such thing in common definitions of murder. How can someone be guilty of both unintentional murder (second degree), and just murder (third degree), in the same event with the same victim?
Of course in the legal sense it must be possible, but in common sense, no.
You seem to be saying that if it is not premeditated, intentional murder, planned ahead of time, then it doesn't count as murder. And you seem to be saying that is "the common" definition of murder and there is no other.
I disagree. If you got mad at me and shot me, that would not be premeditated, but I would still consider it murder. If it's intentional but not premeditated, then it's second degree murder.
Wikipedia:
- First degree murder: The premeditated, unlawful, intentional killing of another person.
- Second degree murder: The intentional, unlawful killing of another person, but without any premeditation.
Webster's dictionary is widely used. Its definition does not require premeditation or even intention.
Murder wrote:1
: the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person
an attempted murder
specifically, law : such a crime committed under circumstances defined by statute
Under Minnesota law, third-degree murder is defined as causing the death of a person "by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind" without regard for life or intent to kill. A conviction on this count carries a prison sentence of up to 25 years. Second-degree murder, according to Minnesota law, is charged when the defendant intentionally kills someone, albeit without preparing to do so ahead of time. (Premeditation would warrant a first-degree murder charge). —
Kaylee McGhee
dictionary.com also disagrees with you:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/murder
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder, or murder one ), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder, or murder two ).
American Heritage:
https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=murder
The killing of another person without justification or excuse, especially the crime of killing a person with malice aforethought or with recklessness manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life.
Is it biblical? Is it Christlike? Is it loving? Is it true? How can I find out?