Josh:Josh wrote:If we make selling snake oil legal then big business will get in on it. They used to sell tobacco purporting health benefits.
There is BIG money in this stuff. The "Alternative Medicine" folks don't come cheap.
J.M.
Josh:Josh wrote:If we make selling snake oil legal then big business will get in on it. They used to sell tobacco purporting health benefits.
AmenWade wrote:For me when I was all for secular medicine - I was completely irresponsible in letting the doctor take care of me.
When I realized doctors are often wrong and human then I became wreckless in following alternative medicine.
I prefer the middle of the road now and take advantage of the benefits from both.
Preventative care is more enjoyable than reactive care, although physical weakness and death are not avoidable. May God be glorified and all be drawn closer to Him by the recognition of our frailty.
J.M. I work in the same drugstore as this pharmacist- I was not a 'customer' when I talked with him about it today- I value his opinion as he is highly respected. He seemed to know what he was talking about- explaining how the baking soda would work- and his opinion is that it is not 'quackery' because I asked him directly, if he thought so.Judas Maccabeus wrote:Excuse me? IF a pharmacist is really promoting this he is likely going to lose his license if caught. IF he is a community pharmacist, they are unlikely to deal with chemotherapy agents of the process of cancer treatment. That is an unapproved treatment, and he would fall under the same law as the Amish guy in the OP.Valerie wrote:Josh, amazing how youve become so haughty, cynical & an expert on everything. My pharmicist who is highly respected in the field just explained he was very familiar with the baking soda treatment & does not consider it quackery, has heard of its effectiveness, explained to me how it works, knew which organs its most effective in. I value his opinion over your less than knowledgeable assumptionsJosh wrote:Witch doctors make a lot more sense now.
I have seen this all before. I live in what became one of the epicenters of Laetrile. One of the compounding pharmacists I know lost his license over this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin
See how quackery works!
J.M.
Because they need more of an education perhaps? I am not sure- Big Pharma doesn't like them, I know that- however as I shared, our friend was cured of cancer at a fraction of the cost.Judas Maccabeus wrote:Josh:Josh wrote:If we make selling snake oil legal then big business will get in on it. They used to sell tobacco purporting health benefits.
There is BIG money in this stuff. The "Alternative Medicine" folks don't come cheap.
J.M.
I am quite skeptical of alternative medicine, but I am sure there are some good ones. I simply don't have to time and expertise to sift through them all and figure out which ones are beneficial.Wade wrote:For me when I was all for secular medicine - I was completely irresponsible in letting the doctor take care of me.
When I realized doctors are often wrong and human then I became wreckless in following alternative medicine.
I prefer the middle of the road now and take advantage of the benefits from both.
Preventative care is more enjoyable than reactive care, although physical weakness and death are not avoidable. May God be glorified and all be drawn closer to Him by the recognition of our frailty.
Maybe if you'd have experienced what I did, when my Mother was almost killed by listening to one of these quack doctors, you'd understand and feel different yourself. Only the intervention of genuine doctors saved her.Valerie wrote: I'm sorry by sharing our friend's testimony it raised such a ruckus- I guess if you would have been in our shoes and witnessed the whole thing- you might feel different- plus losing our other dear friend, who chose chemo- maybe it is just too personal for us.
You think we are immune to trouble. My father in law just died from melanoma. I really feel for the ones who go through their entire fortune on these dubious treatments.Valerie wrote:J.M. I work in the same drugstore as this pharmacist- I was not a 'customer' when I talked with him about it today- I value his opinion as he is highly respected. He seemed to know what he was talking about- explaining how the baking soda would work- and his opinion is that it is not 'quackery' because I asked him directly, if he thought so.Judas Maccabeus wrote:Excuse me? IF a pharmacist is really promoting this he is likely going to lose his license if caught. IF he is a community pharmacist, they are unlikely to deal with chemotherapy agents of the process of cancer treatment. That is an unapproved treatment, and he would fall under the same law as the Amish guy in the OP.Valerie wrote:
Josh, amazing how youve become so haughty, cynical & an expert on everything. My pharmicist who is highly respected in the field just explained he was very familiar with the baking soda treatment & does not consider it quackery, has heard of its effectiveness, explained to me how it works, knew which organs its most effective in. I value his opinion over your less than knowledgeable assumptions
I have seen this all before. I live in what became one of the epicenters of Laetrile. One of the compounding pharmacists I know lost his license over this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin
See how quackery works!
J.M.
You mention money, and all I can do is compare both our friends who were diagnosed with colon cancer-- one's bills went way over $100,000- and he died- he was so sick from the chemo treatments & weak he could no longer do his very physical job.
Our other friend got so sick he decided to give it up- that is when his onocologist advised him to go to Italy. And it was a fraction of the cost. He was being shown by camera, how both tumors were shrinking smaller & smaller- 8 weeks- gone-
You say Dr. Tullio Simoncini lost his license in 2006 but this article is from 2015, and our friend received the treatment approx 5 years ago- so how can that be? It also says he's been instrumental here in the U.S. helping to start a clinic
Anyway, chemo didn't help Ernie, left his family broke, of course the community helped pitch in $80,000 for his bills-
Sean was 'finished' in 8 weeks, tumors completely gone (that his dr. in Chicago assumed would take his life in 6 to 12 mo) and it's been a good 4 or 5 years without any further treatment and he's thriving, just retired- and doing very well- it's why he would recommend this to others-
If you 'meet' the team here- you can see they are not Amish but Medical professionals- this clinic is in Tempe AZ, these Dr. are licensed and using the soda treatment- if it were me, and I wanted to fight the cancer- I think I would be inclined to go here:
https://natureworksbest.com/
And it is not 'snake oil' being practiced at the cancer center in AZ:
https://natureworksbest.com/dr-tullio-s ... treatment/
and these are professionals:
naturopathic physicians are licensed to practice medicine, and therefore do not work under or over medical doctors, unless they choose to partner together. The naturopathic medical curriculum includes all of the conventional medical doctors' curriculum plus the naturopathic modalities, so there are more than twice as many courses and more than twice as many classroom hours in naturopathic school than in conventional medical school. The way that a naturopathic physician uses baking soda includes in liquid, sterile form and is administered as medicine.
I'm glad they are improving chemotherapy, I am with John Hurt and Wade on this- prevention-
I'm sorry by sharing our friend's testimony it raised such a ruckus- I guess if you would have been in our shoes and witnessed the whole thing- you might feel different- plus losing our other dear friend, who chose chemo- maybe it is just too personal for us.
Agree with much of what you say.RZehr wrote:I am quite skeptical of alternative medicine, but I am sure there are some good ones. I simply don't have to time and expertise to sift through them all and figure out which ones are beneficial.Wade wrote:For me when I was all for secular medicine - I was completely irresponsible in letting the doctor take care of me.
When I realized doctors are often wrong and human then I became wreckless in following alternative medicine.
I prefer the middle of the road now and take advantage of the benefits from both.
Preventative care is more enjoyable than reactive care, although physical weakness and death are not avoidable. May God be glorified and all be drawn closer to Him by the recognition of our frailty.
So I always end up going with the more studied conventional medicine when I need some medicine. I tend to believe the controlled studies more than anecdotal evidence and testimony. But I believe our society is over medicated.