The ideal immigration/border policy

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mike
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Re: The ideal immigration/border policy

Postby mike » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:45 am

lesterb wrote:Okay, in light of the last several posts, here are the feelings of a Canadian.

We live about 45 minutes from the US border. I have, over the years, been asked various times to attend meetings in the US. Sometimes this involved speaking there. Often it meant that my expenses were paid, and sometimes even my time. Crossing the border was always an issue, until all of a sudden I started just getting waved through, almost. I had been called in for secondary inspection at the airport. Did the supervisor put a note on my profile? I don't know.

But now I have no idea what to expect. What are the chances of getting turned back? According to what I've been reading it could be a good possibility.


What do you think US immigration and border policy should be, ideally?
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Re: The ideal immigration/border policy

Postby PeterG » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:56 am

I'm not sure how much this has come out on MD/MN, but generally speaking I sympathize with a free market, classical liberal point of view. Prudence would dictate some basic security precautions, but aside from that I believe it would be best if governments allowed market forces to determine human migration. Economic arguments in favor of immigration restrictions are arguments in favor of government intervention in the labor market, and cultural arguments in favor of immigration restrictions are arguments in favor of government intervention in the culture (which rather alarms me). Two more observations: First, we already allow market forces to determine migration within our country, with obvious benefits, and a similar attitude toward migration into or out of our country is not so different. Second, the common objections to immigration have been repeated since the beginning of American history. They'll take all the jobs, their nature and culture (German, Irish, Chinese, Italian, Slavic) is alien and they can't/won't assimilate, they're bringing dangerous ideologies (Catholicism, socialism, anarchism), they're bringing poverty, disease, and crime. It's all been said before, many times over, and if these arguments had prevailed in the 19th and early 20th century most of today's opponents of immigration wouldn't be here to say anything about it.
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Re: The ideal immigration/border policy

Postby joshuabgood » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:17 pm

I am against the nation-state and am part of the Kingdom of God. Therefore I don't believe in borders like the nation-states do. I think all people should be able to move around God's earth and live where they will. Just like I can move where I will in the USA. Further, if you believe free trade is good, which I do, then you must also agree that labor is part of the trade equation and as such it should also be free to move around.
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Re: The ideal immigration/border policy

Postby Ernie » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:19 pm

joshuabgood wrote:I am against the nation-state and am part of the Kingdom of God. Therefore I don't believe in borders like the nation-states do.

Except in the kingdom of God, right? :)
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Re: The ideal immigration/border policy

Postby Josh » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:18 pm

A reality we have to deal with that is that God created different tribes, nations, tongues, and peoples. Different nations, tribes, tongues, and peoples mean there must be some kind of boundaries between such things, and man's attempts to erase them were thwarted at the Tower of Babel.
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Re: The ideal immigration/border policy

Postby Judas Maccabeus » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:06 pm

lesterb wrote:Okay, in light of the last several posts, here are the feelings of a Canadian.

We live about 45 minutes from the US border. I have, over the years, been asked various times to attend meetings in the US. Sometimes this involved speaking there. Often it meant that my expenses were paid, and sometimes even my time. Crossing the border was always an issue, until all of a sudden I started just getting waved through, almost. I had been called in for secondary inspection at the airport. Did the supervisor put a note on my profile? I don't know.

But now I have no idea what to expect. What are the chances of getting turned back? According to what I've been reading it could be a good possibility.

Don't feel bad, my wife and I got pulled off of a train, while entering Canada, and taken to the "little room." They seemed to have some sort of notice on my wife.....only it was not my wife, but a "names the same." We were able to get back.

I think with the poleriferation of electronic data, the chances of a false match have gone way up. Hence, people are detained for what appears to be no good reason.
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Re: The ideal immigration/border policy

Postby joshuabgood » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:58 am

Ernie wrote:
joshuabgood wrote:I am against the nation-state and am part of the Kingdom of God. Therefore I don't believe in borders like the nation-states do.

Except in the kingdom of God, right? :)


Well...partially I guess. But we have an open immigration policy...and we allow folks to leave.
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