Robert wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:09 pm
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:04 pm
I don't spend anywhere near that much time. but it's not hard to find the basic facts.
Maybe you are only finding the facts that some want you to find and just making certain facts easy to find. When you use NYT and CNN, they do not report the whole facts, only the facts they want you to see.
I think I'm looking at a broad set of facts from many sources. You don't seem to know what my sources are, even when I cite them. If you have better facts, please provide them.
I think this would be a very different conversation if we were actually discussing facts and evidence. Perhaps you could stop preaching facts and simply supply facts? Perhaps you could stop telling us how much more you know about these things than we do and how blinded we are, and simply show us how much you know by telling us the facts?
Robert wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:09 pmBootstrap wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:04 pm
Texas v. Pennsylvania? Do you think Texas has standing in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan?
One state MUST have a way to express grievances with other states or what will hold it all together? Texas does have standing to challenge Pennsylvania. What if Alabama decided to have slavery again? How would that be addressed by other states?
It would be addressed by the federal government, not by individual states. I'm trying to imagine what happens when every state sues every other state over every hot button political issue .... I think ever state would be in court all the time. And a lot of it would be "made for media" lawsuits so politicians can profile themselves.
That's not the government we have, at any rate.
Robert wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:09 pm
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:33 am
The charges against him are quite serious and the evidence seems compelling - can't think of another president who has been charged with anything like this before. If he's innocent, let him have his day in court and prove that.
Courts are not perfect. There are a lot of innocent people in prison. We know this because ignored or hidden evidence becomes available and we find that out. Take Derek Chauvin. Justice was not done in his case, nor the 3 other officers who are all in prison. Many people are convinced to pled guilty because of the pressure and costs to fight the charge. I hope you never get charged with anything you have to go to court for. You will find out how unfair and feckless it is.
I can't imagine anyone in America with more money for lawyers and more marketing and campaigning power than Donald Trump. I can't imagine anyone else accused of so many serious crimes with such strong evidence still running for president.
When all of the courts, across America, seem to be ruling the same way, including Trump judges, that may tell us something. When all election boards agree, that may tell us something. And the alternative to imperfect courts seems to be that Donald Trump need not even testify when there is solid evidence of serious wrongdoing.
At the same time, he is promising to send his political opponents to jail. He is threatening people involved in investigating him. Do you think that's the system we should have instead of the justice system, political leaders who get off scot free no matter what they do and threaten anyone who would expose their misdeeds?
If not, courts are probably the best available option. Nothing in democracy is perfect, but a country needs some way to investigate and rule on this kind of thing. You seem to think you have a better idea in mind with your "hard reset", but I have no idea what it is. Comparing countries, I think the American justice system has worked a whole lot better than what I see in most other countries. There are perhaps 30 countries with comparably good justice systems.
If you really want the truth to come out, what better alternative is there to our courts? If you really want justice, what better alternative do you suggest?
Is it biblical? Is it Christlike? Is it loving? Is it true? How can I find out?