Eliminate business regs, 2-for-1

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Re: Eliminate business regs, 2-for-1

Postby mike » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:19 am

appleman2006 wrote:Here is the thing. We have so many rules and regulations that I will bet just about anything that all of you break the rules far more times than what even you are aware of. It simply is no longer possible to obey all the rules and so what happens is that people actually stop trying. They know that especially if they are small and are a little bit careful and a little bit lucky they can fly under the radar sometimes for years.

I would argue that the smaller a business is the more likely it is that this happens. It becomes physically impossible for a very small business to do all of the paperwork and things that need to be done in all departments. I can speak from experience that as we have grown it has become easier to be in compliance on far more issues.

The fact still remains that many rules are open to interpretation. Often they are written to simply cover the government's liability should something bad happen down the road.

I do not have answers but I do know that anarchy will fast become the result of our over regulated society and perhaps we are already closer to that than we think. Small businessmen in particular will eventually throw up their hands and leave he business world all together if things do not change. Many already have.


All true in my opinion, especially about the difficulty of smaller businesses to make it other than by luck and flying under the radar. Easier for small businesses in some ways, harder in others. And the fact is, inspectors are often more lenient on smaller businesses. If state food inspectors held Amish stores which hand-write labels for their products to product labeling requirements, they wouldn't make it. For every law, there are situations where it just doesn't work. Thankfully (depending on how you look at it), inspectors on the ground do utilize common sense and discretion to the point of just overlooking the rules in certain situations.

Another factor is that the government is short of the resources to police its own regulations. We see a department of ag inspector exactly once per year and a weights and measures inspector once a year.

Those who are in favor of big government do have to recognize that regulations are one of the causes of the decline of some small businesses. I think that technology and economies of scale favor larger businesses also, so over-regulation isn't the only factor.
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Re: Eliminate business regs, 2-for-1

Postby temporal1 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:46 am

mike:
Those who are in favor of big government do have to recognize that regulations are one of the causes of the decline of some small businesses.

I think that technology and economies of scale favor larger businesses also, so over-regulation isn't the only factor.
yes. trump referred to problems big business has, and small business .. lots of small businesses base their work on supplying-supporting big businesses, and, government, too. the huge aircraft industry is one that depends heavily on contract work with small business.

there is a job near me right now for a USPS contract CDL driver, part-time, close to $27/hr.

one awful thing that has become overly routine is lobbyists influencing law makers to craft law to eliminate their competition, while gaining monoply-ish favor with government subsidies ..

a recent example in my state was a close friend of a Chicago Fire Marshal attempting to push through mandates requiring $8,000+ sprinkler systems for ALL new construction, residential and commercial, for the entire state .. the friend was in sprinkler system sales.

that one did not pass.

but, repeating, it's now a standard operating model to lobby to pass laws that then pretty much guarantee personal business profits (from now until eternity thru gov mandate.) - it's so much more efficient than going about selling one's wares the old fashioned way - through hard work, and offering a desirable product at a desirable price.
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Re: Eliminate business regs, 2-for-1

Postby mike » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:02 am

Speaking of Chicago, a scale software company rep told me a couple of years ago about the city's decision to require retail food scales to measure to the thousandths of a pound, rather than simply hundredths. It would require all retail food establishments to invest in new equipment. He was asked to be at a meeting with city officials on behalf of a party who was objecting to the new law to demonstrate how little effect it would have on the retail pricing of an item. They were disregarded and the law passed from what I heard. The new scales cost in the neighborhood of $2500-$4000 each. Don't tell me somebody didn't have their fingers in that pie.
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Re: Eliminate business regs, 2-for-1

Postby Bootstrap » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:25 am

So here's the question: is Trump in touch enough with what small businesses need to eliminate the regulations that get in their way and leave the ones that they need? If not, will he rely on someone who is to make this happen?

I'm always nervous when someone is the champion of the small farmer or of healthy forests. The programs they go on to enact often hurt the people they say they are going to help. Will he do thinks in the name of small businesses that mostly help the rich and powerful without really helping small businesses? Time will tell.

After all, some regulations keep small businesses from being shafted, or prevent American taxpayers from being on the hook because a big financial institution took risky bets. Let's hope those aren't the regulations that get axed.
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Re: Eliminate business regs, 2-for-1

Postby ken_sylvania » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:41 am

Bootstrap wrote:So here's the question: is Trump in touch enough with what small businesses need to eliminate the regulations that get in their way and leave the ones that they need? If not, will he rely on someone who is to make this happen?

I'm always nervous when someone is the champion of the small farmer or of healthy forests. The programs they go on to enact often hurt the people they say they are going to help. Will he do thinks in the name of small businesses that mostly help the rich and powerful without really helping small businesses? Time will tell.

After all, some regulations keep small businesses from being shafted, or prevent American taxpayers from being on the hook because a big financial institution took risky bets. Let's hope those aren't the regulations that get axed.

Unfortunately, his own business history would suggest that he has no concern whatsoever about protection "small business" when he can make a buck by exploiting them. It's hard to see that attitude changing.
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Re: Eliminate business regs, 2-for-1

Postby Bootstrap » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:45 am

ken_sylvania wrote:Unfortunately, his own business history would suggest that he has no concern whatsoever about protection "small business" when he can make a buck by exploiting them. It's hard to see that attitude changing.


I don't think he will protect any regulation that makes it hard to use eminent domain to seize several buildings owned by small businesses in order to expand a large casino's parking lot.
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Re: Eliminate business regs, 2-for-1

Postby mike » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:03 pm

Bootstrap wrote:So here's the question: is Trump in touch enough with what small businesses need to eliminate the regulations that get in their way and leave the ones that they need? If not, will he rely on someone who is to make this happen?

I'm always nervous when someone is the champion of the small farmer or of healthy forests. The programs they go on to enact often hurt the people they say they are going to help. Will he do thinks in the name of small businesses that mostly help the rich and powerful without really helping small businesses? Time will tell.

After all, some regulations keep small businesses from being shafted, or prevent American taxpayers from being on the hook because a big financial institution took risky bets. Let's hope those aren't the regulations that get axed.


I'm at least as optimistic about business under Trump as I was under Obama. Besides I don't really know how much what a president does affects small businesses regulations anyway. State laws override federal in many cases. Probably the primary thing a president can do is manipulate tax deductions and depreciation. Under Obama the government was trying to stimulate the economy after the recession and, for instance, the amounts you could deduct for equipment purchases instantly was pretty generous. If the economy continues to improve I would expect Trump to cut the allowed deductions again.
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