Some thoughts on White Nationalism & Racism today on Capitol Hill

[appleman2006]

Since no one is seemingly willing to admit that they assumed incorrectly about what I was saying and admitting that they obviously did not read my whole post may i simply add a little more.

I am sure that if I dug a little harder I could probably find things that Ms. Owen has said that I would disagree with but since the time a few weeks back when I first heard of her I have listened to numerous of the talks and a number of debates she has been involved in and I must say I am very impressed.

She comes across as a very passionate but well spoken young lady who is taking on a cause that she believes in very strongly. Added to that she strikes me as a lady of immense courage. She would not have to be doing what she is doing. In fact a person of her talents simply wanting fame could take on a much more popular stance and do very well. But her stance against abortion, her strong position on the importance of the family, her refusal to believe that her skin colour in any way hinders her and others from being successful unless she would insist on playing the victim card are all things that I applaud her for. The fact that she is so hated by the left and has been called all kinds of vile things even by professing Christians should give a lot of people pause. I simply do not understand it.

[temporal1]

Since no one is seemingly willing to admit that they assumed incorrectly about what I was saying and admitting that they obviously did not read my whole post may i simply add a little more.

I am sure that if I dug a little harder I could probably find things that Ms. Owen has said that I would disagree with but since the time a few weeks back when I first heard of her I have listened to numerous of the talks and a number of debates she has been involved in
and I must say I am very impressed.

She comes across as a very passionate but well spoken young lady who is taking on a cause that she believes in very strongly. Added to that she strikes me as a lady of immense courage. She would not have to be doing what she is doing. In fact a person of her talents simply wanting fame could take on a much more popular stance and do very well.

But her stance against abortion, her strong position on the importance of the family, her refusal to believe that her skin colour in any way hinders her and others from being successful unless she would insist on playing the victim card are all things that I applaud her for.

The fact that she is so hated by the left and has been called all kinds of vile things even by professing Christians should give a lot of people pause. I simply do not understand it.

Definitely agree.
i have been loosely following Candace Owens for a few years, she is maturing very nicely, and, as you say, with her good looks, intelligence, and talent, she could “cash in” anywhere she might choose.

i’d never heard negatives thrown at her before this thread! - how sweet.

But, also, as you note, those wanting to forever damn her for early (missteps?) have no problem officially sealing college records of the lib-elected (Candace is not an elected or appointed representative) when public pictures, personal admissions, and stories of illegal drug use, and “interesting” friendships with folks like Rev Wright and Louis Farrakhan are dismissed as non-issues.

Christian mercy can be, indeed, subjective.

i admit to withholding interest on Miss Owens, too, a lot because of her youth and beauty.
Whether male or female, our culture adores youth+beauty, this often does not end well, as temptations are thrown at their feet, it takes extra commitment on their part to keep their balance and not succomb.

i give her credit for persevering, it’s not easy to maintain focus.

i’ve read a little from different ones like Dr Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, Dr Alveda King, Herman Cain, and other black conservatives who occasionally share just a little about how they receive brutal criticism and pressure for daring to wander from the lib script. In all honesty, i know i cannot rightly imagine the depth of it. For those who participate in it: Shame!

[Bootstrap]

Funny, I don't think anybody is saying the kind of thing about Owens that some people are claiming. She is a professional political activist, and both her views and her sources of income have changed. I think that's the main thing people are saying about her. That's equally true of many professional political activists.

But the other thing I am saying is this: at a hearing on White Nationalism & Racism, I don't think the film clip addresses either subject. If so, how? Surely nobody would claim that white nationalism and white supremacy aren't real problems?

http://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1993

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From a previous post

"And I am alright with racism being seen as an awful thing. I just like to be sure of what I am doing before I call a person racist. I personally define racism as anyone that sees another culture in a different light than their own. In other words if the first thing you think about when you meet a person is how his skin colour or anything else that sets him apart makes him different than you than you might want to look deep into your soul and see what is there.

You might even justify your feelings with the thought that this person because of who he is must obviously be disadvantaged therefor I need to patronise him and treat him with kid's gloves. That actually in my mind is the most common form of racism today at least on a systemic basis and the one that is doing the most harm today."

I think this is an obvious case of some of you not reading what I actually said if you think I said being accused falsely of racism is the most common form of racism today. I did not say that at all. Read it again very carefully.

In a thread about a hearing on white nationalist violence, is that really worse than racist shootings, church arson, death threats, etc? It feels like an odd thing to say in this context.

I don't think we should patronize people or treat then with kid's gloves, but I don't think anyone is suggesting that either. I assume, for instance, that Candace Owens can be treated like other political activists regardless of her race. I would hope that Barack Obama and Donald Trump would be judged by the same standards.

[appleman2006]

I do not feel that it is an odd thing to say in this context because it is such a small part of the overall race problem. Are there white nationalists out there? A few. Do they have any power. None at all. They are condemned by every rational person you and I know as well as about everyone else that has any power at all.

Ironically the only people Ms. Owens has ever felt threatened by are BLM people, often white people flying under the BLM name.

In almost all recent cases of church shootings etc. that have been race related it is a lone gunman that almost assuredly has some severe mental issues.

I again repeat that at this point the only real significant systemic racism out there is the type that tries to perpetuate the fact that you will be less likely to succeed simply because of the colour of your skin. And as long as we continue to proclaim that myth it will be self fulfilling in a sense.

It really does not matter who we are. If we are told often enough that we are disadvantaged and worthless we will start to act like that is the truth. That is certainly a form of racism and it is one that Ms. Owens is trying very hard to combat. and I loudly applaud her in her efforts.
Hopefully we all agree that restoring the full family unit, a father a mother in the home, cleaning up the downtown ghettos of your country, and providing meaningful employment, will do more to break this type of racism than any amount of protesting or rioting on the streets.
Ms. Owens as a public figure should of course be open to fair public scrutiny. In fact from what I have observed she welcomes it. But what took place that day by those Democratic leaders was neither fair nor right. And thankfully it has seemed to backfire big time.

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I do not feel that it is an odd thing to say in this context because it is such a small part of the overall race problem. Are there white nationalists out there? A few. Do they have any power. None at all. They are condemned by every rational person you and I know as well as about everyone else that has any power at all.

The President likes to retweet them and tell people he is going to look into social media "censorship". That's a problem.

Ironically the only people Ms. Owens has ever felt threatened by are BLM people, often white people flying under the BLM name.

In almost all recent cases of church shootings etc. that have been race related it is a lone gunman that almost assuredly has some severe mental issues.

I don't really know how to put her comments into context. I would like to hear from a lot more people before assuming her experience is typical.

Most of these people are involved in social media groups that radicalize each other and teach each other how to perform these attacks. The Christchurch shootings were an example of this going international.

The FBI is concerned. Aren't you?

[appleman2006]

As I said violence of any kind concerns me. I am simply for looking at the real core issues that create by far most of the violence in your country.

[Josh]

The FBI is concerned. Aren't you?

I generally don’t share the FBI’s concerns. If they were better at their jobs, they would have prevented things like 9/11.

Mental health (or lack thereof) is a huge problem, and not one the FBI addresses. I’d like to hear more about this - I expect to see more problems like the Nickel Mines shooter. No real criminal motive there, just deranged, unbalanced people, abandoned by modern society, who eventually have nothing to lose.

[Bootstrap]

Josh, in the other threat you suggested that hate groups finding each other on the Internet is a real problem, didn't you?

Einstein helped create the atomic bomb and Berners-Lee gave rise to the Internet, which seems to be good at promoting pornography or allowing hate groups to find each other on the Internet. I’m not sure either of these things really were that good for the world.

[temporal1]

i wrote:
.. i’ve read a little from different ones like
Dr Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, Dr Alveda King, Herman Cain, and other black conservatives
who occasionally share just a little about how they receive brutal criticism and pressure for daring to wander from the lib script. In all honesty, i know i cannot rightly imagine the depth of it. For those who participate in it: Shame!

when it comes to this topic, i learn most+best from conservative black leaders who are experienced in walking-the-walk, who live it, overcome it, and carry on. Candace Owens is growing into her role.

i’ve done this for years. i recommend it.