Josh, none of these things have happened yet. That's not some hyper-partisan statement.Josh wrote:It’s pretty obvious there’s nothing Trump could do that would be good enough, in your eyes. Broker a Korean Peninsula Peace deal? Not good enough.
Can you at least acknowledge he hasn't started a new war or invaded a new country in 2 years in office?Bootstrap wrote:Josh, none of these things have happened yet. That's not some hyper-partisan statement.
If he brokers a Korean peace deal we'll have something to talk about. I think I'll give him credit for his accomplishments once they are accomplished.
Certainly. And I hope that continues.Josh wrote:Can you at least acknowledge he hasn't started a new war or invaded a new country in 2 years in office?Bootstrap wrote:Josh, none of these things have happened yet. That's not some hyper-partisan statement.
If he brokers a Korean peace deal we'll have something to talk about. I think I'll give him credit for his accomplishments once they are accomplished.
I don't think Obama was a "peace messiah". I wouldn't defend Obama's policy on Syria, I think both Obama and Trump have handled Syria badly, and that's one of the most serious crises we have right now. Would you claim that Trump has been creating peace in Syria?Josh wrote:Prior presidents consistently failed at that, including your peace Messiah Obama.
This is my understanding of the situation. I find it interesting in how Trump's efforts brought North Korea to the table for denuclearization. All of Trump's adversaries kept swearing that he would start a devastating war. Yet Trump is two for two in de-escalating two of the world's hotspots, bringing the possibility of peace, for how long we do not know. Still there is a respite for now. I keep thinking of that famous monologue:Robert wrote:Trump has raised military spending, but seems to be working towards a smaller footprint in the world. Peace through strength can easily be seen through his policies.
One thing that seems to be bringing the North Koreans to the table is what was about to be deployed to South Korea and the military sales he is making available to the Pacific countries. China was forced to force NK to negotiate since they do not want all that military might on their coast.
What few seem to know is that Trump was planning on deploying nuclear weapons to South Korea and/or Japan. This the Chinese could not accept and have now demanded NK denuclearize.
Seems his desire to have a massive military, yet disdain for nation building may actually bring more peace than all the back handed messing with other governments. Woodrow Wilson force the US out of it's isolationist policies. I see us moving in that general direction. I think this will bring more peace than what has been going on since WW1.
So, spending is up, but involvement is going down. he wants to shut down a lot of US bases in other countries. He has shown that we do not need boots on the ground to deal with rogue countries that use WMD. He destroys their abilities while avoiding lost of life. Interesting strategy. I suspect this will be 21st century war now.
All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slippered pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.
"As You Like It"
Act 2 Scene 7
William Shakespeare
Trump's consistently kept the situation in Syria from escalating. Of course, Russia is the current ally with Syria, so if Trump doesn't do anything, he'll just get further accused (by people like you) of being paid off by the Russians.Bootstrap wrote:I don't think Obama was a "peace messiah". I wouldn't defend Obama's policy on Syria, I think both Obama and Trump have handled Syria badly, and that's one of the most serious crises we have right now. Would you claim that Trump has been creating peace in Syria?
OK, I'm about to give up. Maybe Trump is indeed your Messiah. Maybe you won't treat me like a normal human being unless I bow down and claim Trump has established world peace.Bootstrap wrote:I don't think Obama was a "peace messiah". I wouldn't defend Obama's policy on Syria, I think both Obama and Trump have handled Syria badly, and that's one of the most serious crises we have right now. Would you claim that Trump has been creating peace in Syria?
Seriously, I would appreciate it if you would discuss the topic itself instead of making up claims about me. I have not claimed that Trump is your Messiah or questioned your judgement or character. But I would like to be able to discuss the topic of each thread without a lot of distracting emotional flak.
And cutting military spending is an odd metric; right before WWI and WWII, military spending was slashed. That didn't stop us from becoming embroiled in really bad conflicts.temporal1 wrote:regarding this thread’s subject line question, from what i gather in this thread, there seems to be agreement “military spending” has not been cut.
