Trump supports efforts to improve gun background checks

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PeterG wrote:It's hard to argue with this. Gun control is a superficial measure at best, and can't address the root of gun violence.

It's funny how conservative arguments against gun control and liberal arguments in favor of marijuana legalization are basically the same. And they're both sort of right. No government's attempts to control guns, drugs, pornography, abortion, sexual immorality, etc. can be successful on a deep level. It's strange how some believe that greed can be controlled through taxation, while criminalization of drug use is futile; or that gun control won't stop violence, but outlawing gay marriage will promote morality.

Not that a libertarian utopia would truly be any better. That individualistic vision is deceptive in its own way, and still predicated on the lie that a proper political structure is the foundation of the good society.
Very well said, and very important. And yet, government does have a role to play here:
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
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The solution is move to Canada. We don't even allow brass knuckles to be brought in. :lol:

Imo, although there may be some small changes regarding guns, when people who want to kill in large numbers can get all kinds of free information on making bombs of sorts and perhaps even some biological/germ mass destructive instruction, then I think what these efforts do will not have much impact. I guess this is not very optimistic on what man can do with how knowledge of mass destruction is now in the hands of everyone. There will always be 'bad apples in the bushel' but now they have the chance of quickly destroying all the other apples.

O well, this world is not my home I'm just a passin through. I believe God has His restraints on man and our primary role is prayer. If God wasn't in control overall, I think a nuke war would have already destroyed most of us.
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RZehr wrote:
Bootstrap wrote:And let's face it, if you wanted to fight the Federal Government, an AR-15 wouldn't do it for you.
My thinking is that the AR would only be the beginning, and they would possibly get more powerful weapons from military bases. It's hard for me to imagine any kind of armed group successfully overthrowing the Federal government. But who knows? If a large majority of the population supported them and other countries assisted I suppose anything is possible.

But they certainly wouldn't have a chance without ARs. I see the AK-47 currently quite effective and popular in rebellions around the globe
These days, I would expect drones and various kinds of bombs to play an important role, and cyberwarfare and misinformation as well. But that really would only be possible if a large majority were all on the same page - and in a democracy, that large democracy can vote for change.

Suppose any group that's not a large majority tried to do this, and there was a large percent of Americans who opposed them. I suspect the most likely scenario would be the Afghanistan scenario, where rival warlords reign. Or if it were divided regionally, we could have another civil war. Neither one is good for the country.

When it comes down to it, the ability to vote for change is the true genius of democracy. It's the kind of thing that lets a country go from 1865 to 2017 without a war on its soil, which is rather unusual on this earth. There has been a lot of change in our government during that time, most of it accomplished peacefully.
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Sudsy wrote:The solution is move to Canada. We don't even allow brass knuckles to be brought in. :lol:
And let's face it, Justin Trudeau has better hair.

Hmmm, would you let me bring my Morakniv?
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RZehr wrote:
Bootstrap wrote: And let's face it, if you wanted to fight the Federal Government, an AR-15 wouldn't do it for you.
My thinking is that the AR would only be the beginning, and they would possibly get more powerful weapons from military bases. It's hard for me to imagine any kind of armed group successfully overthrowing the Federal government. But who knows? If a large majority of the population supported them and other countries assisted I suppose anything is possible.

But they certainly wouldn't have a chance without ARs. I see the AK-47 currently quite effective and popular in rebellions around the globe
.. this becomes seriously academic/secular thinking.
Christians have accounts like David and Goliath to draw on .. there is adequate proof in history that the littler guy doesn’t always lose. only on paper in remote pretend worlds of human reasoning.

God intervenes, He owns the last word. :)
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Sudsy wrote:The solution is move to Canada. We don't even allow brass knuckles to be brought in. :lol:
i cannot yet understand Canada’s response to this crime/criminal.
he was given a new identity and returned to the general population. :(
now known as “Will Baker.” :(

“A man who was found not criminally responsible for beheading and cannibalising a fellow passenger on a Canadian bus has been granted his freedom.“
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-12/f ... da/8262772

“Will Butcher” would be a more apt name. :(
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temporal1 wrote:God intervenes, He owns the last word. :)
This is precisely why you do not need to be concerned about the consequences of gun control. If the carnal firepower available to each side is irrelevant in the struggle between good and evil (as it surely is), there is nothing to fear in government attempts to limit weapon ownership.
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PeterG wrote:
temporal1 wrote:God intervenes, He owns the last word. :)
This is precisely why you do not need to be concerned about the consequences of gun control. If the carnal firepower available to each side is irrelevant in the struggle between good and evil (as it surely is), there is nothing to fear in government attempts to limit weapon ownership.
limit, or not limit, or any combination.
i believe a change in the combinations are now upon us.

i’m not for arming teachers, but, the chatter seems to be going in that direction.
at the very least, grown men with legal guns are now taking different measures on the local level to make some adjustments in school security. President Trump is considering incentives for teacher to become trained+armed.

there will be some trial+error.
repeat, i do not wish to put this on public school teachers. several reasons.
my thoughts do not matter to those deciding.
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Bootstrap wrote:
Sudsy wrote:The solution is move to Canada. We don't even allow brass knuckles to be brought in. :lol:
And let's face it, Justin Trudeau has better hair.

But you know what they say and I know it's true by experience 'hair today, gone tomorrow'.

Hmmm, would you let me bring my Morakniv?

Yes, it is considered more as a tool. I think the law would allow you to carry a machete if you want to, as long as your reason is not "to protect yourself". I guess using brass knuckles to crack walnuts doesn't make a good argument . :)
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Sudsy wrote:
Bootstrap wrote:Hmmm, would you let me bring my Morakniv?

Yes, it is considered more as a tool. I think the law would allow you to carry a machete if you want to, as long as your reason is not "to protect yourself". I guess using brass knuckles to crack walnuts doesn't make a good argument . :)
I'll be in Hamilton for a week in June. I'll let you know if I decide to stay. But the airline might not let me bring the Morakniv ...
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