"Elites" - who are they and why do they dislike Pres. Trump?

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temporal1 wrote:would you care to bake some chocolate chip cookies?
I'd love to. With or without oatmeal?
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Bootstrap wrote:
temporal1 wrote:would you care to bake some chocolate chip cookies?
I'd love to. With or without oatmeal?
oatmeal? :shock:
better defer to justme.
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temporal1 wrote:
Bootstrap wrote:
temporal1 wrote:would you care to bake some chocolate chip cookies?
I'd love to. With or without oatmeal?
oatmeal? :shock:
better defer to justme.
Yes, with oatmeal. And replace the chocolate chips with raisins, please.
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lesterb wrote:
temporal1 wrote:
Bootstrap wrote:I'd love to. With or without oatmeal?
oatmeal? :shock:
better defer to justme.
Yes, with oatmeal. And replace the chocolate chips with raisins, please.
i love oatmeal-raisin cookies! :lol:
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temporal1 wrote:
lesterb wrote:
temporal1 wrote: oatmeal? :shock:
better defer to justme.
Yes, with oatmeal. And replace the chocolate chips with raisins, please.
i love oatmeal-raisin cookies! :lol:
over Christmas, my daughter made a huge pan of apple crisp!
she had a lot of apples, i told her, i never made “too much” apple crisp! i guess she took that as a challenge. it was so good. there was so much, we got to have some for breakfast, they took it in lunches, etc.
after awhile, there was still some left in the pan. was it good? throw it away?
well, we got our “second win,” and finally finished it off.

i have no idea how long this played out. it was awhile.
i wondered if the apples might begin to ferment. they didn’t, not that i could tell.

she made “enough.” :D
now we know how much to make.
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Dan Z wrote:
Mike wrote:One way to be politics-free is to not post in DanZ's thread. :)
And miss all the fun? 8-)
In all seriousness, the rancor and high emotions that come up in the political threads are often not all that fun anyway. Yes, I do follow politics, but I have problems with both the political right and left, and sometimes I just tune them both out. I'm not sure how different they end up being, in some ways, anyway.
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Boot, one of the things that comes out in your quest to be data or facts driven is one that has mirrors in the elite too; basically, they get to the arbiters of what “the facts” are.

Like it or not, common people don’t like being told what to think and being told they’re too plebian to come to the right decisions on their own. Given some of the goofy stuff science pushed on us in the 19th century and the first half of the 20th, perhaps they’re right.

The current scientific and medical “consensus” is that men can become women, and a lot of common people are losing all faith in “science” as a result. They feel like the elite are pushing this stuff on them. They feel like they have no recourse (other than a leader like Trump).
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mike wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
Mike wrote:One way to be politics-free is to not post in DanZ's thread. :)
And miss all the fun? 8-)
In all seriousness, the rancor and high emotions that come up in the political threads are often not all that fun anyway. Yes, I do follow politics, but I have problems with both the political right and left, and sometimes I just tune them both out. I'm not sure how different they end up being, in some ways, anyway.
Hi Mike - I've answered this in the "How to be political" thread since it seems to fit there better http://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php ... 177#p26177
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As far as I can tell, this talk of "elites" amounts to nothing more than an ad hominem argument. (That's right, I said something in Latin. Deal with it. :P ) It is irrelevant for distinguishing truth from falsehood and right from wrong.
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Dan Z wrote:The idea of "elites" came up quite a bit in our Trump Poll Discussion. Here is a thread to discuss "elites" and their perspectives.

So...who are these elites ?
What makes them elite? What defines them as elite?
Who are the elites within Conservative Anabaptism?
Moving more to this last question, from someone not raised Anabaptist but after study and reading more about Conservative Anabaptism, all CAs come across as elites in that their brand of Anabaptism and practises even are referred to as 'conservative' which seems to me to say 'holier' or 'more accurate' Christ followers than both other CAs and other Anabaptists.

Probably the 'most elite' amongst CAs from my readings would be the Holdeman group who go as far as openly viewing themselves as the one true church. This seems the highest 'elite' statement to me.

And these are just my takes from basically only being new to Anabaptism for the past 15 or so, off and on years. One area of eliteness would be those who hold to 'closed communion'. Another would be certain dress styles and adornments. And also what constitutes simple living and separation from the world. And of course, Christian music and worship styles.

I do believe according to Romans 14, these different areas if they are done unto the Lord, are up to the individual. We do not need a church all looking and acting identically the same and they obviously were not that way in the early church. The area of rules and forced norms I can't agree with. But it really isn't so much about this as it is the way these distinctions often seem to come across. To me, it sounds like a competition at times and smacks of eliteness (we are better).

On the other hand, liberal Anabaptism and/or those Anabaptists who favour more evangelism or being A-Political, for examples. They, too, can come across as 'a cut above' other Anabaptists and have an elite attitude. 'You CAs are all locked up in your tradition and we are set free from all that'.

Sometimes we just need a good reminder of Philippians 2.
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