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gcdonner wrote:

Hats Off wrote:Sometimes Jesus and the apostles were addressing a specific person or persons; more often not. We need to be able to discern what applies to us. Obviously we are not going to bring Paul's reading materials to him nor are we going to greet or receive Pheobe and Priscilla and Aquila. But we can "Greet one another with a holy kiss."

There are always universal principles that apply, but the specifics when addressed to specific people must first be taken in their context. When Jesus was speaking to Peter, James, John & Andrew, when he said "you" he was referring to them, when he wanted to address someone else he said, "they". It is quite simple really, if we are willing to humble ourselves to accept what he actually said and not what we think he meant to us instead, some 2000 years later.
BTW, which of his prophetic utterances in these passages didn't come to pass, as he said, and when he said? Be specific and use scripture to support your position is all I ask, not tradition or "I think", but what saith the scripture?

Valerie wrote:

gcdonner wrote:

Valerie wrote:
Just to emphasize- these are not MY understandings these are other teachers- the Orthodox teach that what you are suggesting GC- there was a 'partial' fulfillment and a future-
They are not full preterists

I realize you are a Preterist so there will be differences of opinions on this- there is a very small fraction within Christianity that are Preterists like yourself, believing that Jesus Second Coming, already happened-

I'm not speaking about that in particular here, but your statement that Jesus and the Apostles were speaking to US. They were not, especially when it comes to eschatology. As I said to another poster, there are universal principles to be applied to us and general principles that have determined doctrine down through the ages, but to make the statement that you made is misleading at best.

It depends, to a Preterist, it would be misleading- to the Orthodox Church it would not be- I think Preterism belief is very misleading and it is considered heresy- to say that the Lord returned already-since He had not returned yet, what they had to say to 'watch for' would be speaking to us, as well as the present audience, like much of the Scriptures- would be for present and future

gcdonner wrote: Good thing this is not called MennoDiscuss anymore. I have made my point.

ken_sylvania wrote:

gcdonner wrote: Good thing this is not called MennoDiscuss anymore. I have made my point.

Ya mean because neither of you is a Menno...?

gcdonner wrote:

ken_sylvania wrote:

gcdonner wrote: Good thing this is not called MennoDiscuss anymore. I have made my point.

Ya mean because neither of you is a Menno...?

I used to fellowship with Mennos and was a member of an Anabaptist church for several years too, but you are right, I am not a Mennonite by birth...

silentreader wrote:

gcdonner wrote:

ken_sylvania wrote: Ya mean because neither of you is a Menno...?

I used to fellowship with Mennos and was a member of an Anabaptist church for several years too, but you are right, I am not a Mennonite by birth...

...but as far as that goes, neither was Menno....

silentreader wrote:
...but as far as that goes, neither was Menno....

silentreader wrote:

silentreader wrote:
...but as far as that goes, neither was Menno....

Was just thinking... "as far as that goes"...is that a Penn/Deutsch term...'so veit vie sell geht' ...or is that a phrase that normal English-as-a-first-language would use? Or is it maybe apocalyptic language?

gcdonner wrote:

silentreader wrote:

silentreader wrote:
...but as far as that goes, neither was Menno....

Was just thinking... "as far as that goes"...is that a Penn/Deutsch term...'so veit vie sell geht' ...or is that a phrase that normal English-as-a-first-language would use? Or is it maybe apocalyptic language?

I can't speak for the first, but it has been around as long as I can remember, and it could be apocalyptic language in it's proper context. No pretexts spoken here.

silentreader wrote: Ahhh....but there's often a sub-text.