Re: Salvation issues
Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:40 pm
Thankyou for your input as I, too, am interested in searching out the truth.silentreader wrote:So it's interesting that most of the 'clear' examples come from the 'OC' period, which, if I remember correctly, you said earlier was different from how God worked in the 'NC', unless, of course they can serve as prooftexts.Sudsy wrote:Those items listed 1-10 in that Renew article.silentreader wrote:
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Unless I'm missing something, the plain reading of the NT passages given do not suggest that any of the women mentioned were in pastoral or authority positions. Pheobe is not called a deacon or deaconess in Romans 16:1 but is called a diakonos of the church at Cenchreae, translated servant in a lot of translations and can mean several different things.
What is interesting to me is that people who favor female pastors often say that Paul was 'anti-woman', and that it was his own idea and teaching that women could not be in leadership, and yet here, in the opening verses of Romans 16 we see clearly the deep respect that Paul had for Christian women, not at all suggesting that Paul thought they were lesser, but rather that his prohibition was because of differences in roles of men and women in the church (NC by the way), reflective of God's order.
There is a possibility that Phoebe, and possibly others of the women mentioned in the beginning of Romans 16 were given the responsibility of bearing the letter to Rome, and Paul's glowing mention of them was a form of introduction.
Of the Scripture texts in the 'renew' article, I would not consider any of them a clear statement for women in ministry, but rather are used as prooftexts to support opinions based on human reasoning.
I really didn't want to get involved in this, I'm sorry, I let myself get sucked in, but truth, and searching for truth, is important to me, because the opposite of truth is falsehood, and even though we can do wrong things 'innocently' in ignorance, I think Scripture teaches that if we love a lie, it becomes a salvation issue.
Women in ministry as a stand-alone issue, (IMO) is probably not a salvation issue. It may or may not be a slippery slope, but it is the thin edge of the wedge.
OK I'd like to be done with this now, opinions are not going to change anyway.