Re: Salvation issues
Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:16 pm
Sudsy, I'm having more and more of a problem with the way to seem to expect God to line up with your opinions. I suspect that on the judgment day, we will all depend pretty heavily on the mercy of God. But to deliberately go against the Bible and argue that people who don't do it that way are interfering with God's plan seems like treading on some pretty thin ice to me.Sudsy wrote:Isn't Protestantism and Anabaptism 'walking in disobedience' to what the Catholic and Orthodox churches believed is 'Apostolic doctrine' ? And few women were ready to be killed for standing up for any views of scripture outside those traditions but some did. Today, women can contend and do and have full opportunity to be educated in spiritual things, called and gifted to any role God chooses to use them in.Valerie wrote:To add to this Sudsy, since the beginning of the Church, the Church has venerated women (not worshipped!) as well as men.
For example, the Samaratin woman at the well in John 4, that Jesus met with-
The footnote in my Orthodox Study Bible says this about her, in the footnote of John 4:28-30):
"The Samaratin woman becomes an early evangelist, testifying to the Advent of Christ, and bringing others to Him (v 39). According to an early tradition, after the Resurrection, she was baptized with the name Photini, "the enlightened one". Along with her two sons and five daughters, she went to Carthrage to spread the Gospel. She was later martyred with her family under the emperor Nero by being thrown into a well. (Actually the whole story is very hard to read!) The Church remembers her on March 20 and on the 4th Sunday of Pascha" (the name the Orthodox use for what we call Easter). "
So you see since the beginning of the Church, it was recognized that women had these gifts to be used of the Lord- that of course IS Scriptural. But never did these Spiritual women contend against Scripture, to have 'leadership/pastoral' roles in the Church because they would have understood Apostolic doctrine- and anytime a woman would rise up against Apostolic doctrine, and would not repent of that, wouldn't that be walking in disobedience? Deception?
And here 2000 years later, with women serving still- yet the Church has never budged on this issue, nor on the homosexual issues, which seem to end up going hand in hand eventually.
We are not going to agree on this and some Anabaptist pastors view this restraint on women as interfering with the work of God as can be viewed here -
And looking throughout youtube and elsewhere there are support for both sides. Our MB church and MC USA (I believe) have removed this restriction to allow everyone 'In Christ' to participate in any role. Are we all going to hell for it ? Not in my understanding of the NT.