I agree with this assessment and for that reason I can at least stomach those that hold to historical pre views as opposed to what most people hold to today which is the strong dispensationalist type teaching. There are very few historical pres around although I have run into one or two of them. The late Oliver Hess I believe described himself as such. I think Walter Beachy might lean that way as well although I may be wrong.ohio jones wrote:Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, and many other early church fathers were premillenial. Eusebius describes it as the majority view. Then Augustine came along and popularized amillennialism -- along with just war and proto-Calvinism, so Mennonites who view Augustine with wariness often extend that skepticism to his eschatology.Josh wrote:Actually, there was a pretty consistent eschatology amongst Christians since the beginning. Holdemans, Old Order Amish, and Eastern Orthodox have the exact same eschatology, for example.
Ideas like the rapture and premillennialism in general are a relatively recent invention. Before John Darby decided to invent his own commentary on what the Bible actually says, most people were content being amillenial or postmillenial.
What is a recent invention is dispensationalism and the pretribulation rapture. Those should be distinguished from historic premillennialism.
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It's not much of a stretch to see he didn't really agree with it......gcdonner wrote:He was a historian, not a critic...
Quite evident by his holding of another view.
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Have you read or listened to Paris Reidhead's Ten Shekels and a Shirt? Reidhead, an avowed fundamentalist, frames that concession in terms of humanism.Josh wrote: We can't unless we are willing to abandon fundamentalism, which is really just an early step on the path to liberalism.
Fundamentalism starts by conceding to modernism's demands and worldview. The only solution is to go back to following Jesus.
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cmbl wrote:Have you read or listened to Paris Reidhead's Ten Shekels and a Shirt? Reidhead, an avowed fundamentalist, frames that concession in terms of humanism.Josh wrote: We can't unless we are willing to abandon fundamentalism, which is really just an early step on the path to liberalism.
Fundamentalism starts by conceding to modernism's demands and worldview. The only solution is to go back to following Jesus.
Have you read or listened to Paris Reidhead's Ten Shekels and a Shirt?
I have, it was sent to us by an Amish man, didn't know the author but the writing is astounding- whatever label one has given him-
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I find I can comfortably fellowship with a historic premillennialist, rare as they may be these days.
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Me too...Josh wrote:I find I can comfortably fellowship with a historic premillennialist, rare as they may be these days.
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KB, there's an entire library of CA perspectives on eschatology at Pilgrim Ministry. Good stuff there and well worth the time to read or listen to. They have downloadable audio files as well as e-literature.
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Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
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A lot of material on this website is explicitly pro-rapture, premillennial, dispensational, or all 3. I would argue that does not represent all or even most Anabaptists.MaxPC wrote:KB, there's an entire library of CA perspectives on eschatology at Pilgrim Ministry. Good stuff there and well worth the time to read or listen to. They have downloadable audio files as well as e-literature.
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I tried a few of the messages and would have said they seem to be basic Anabaptist.Josh wrote:A lot of material on this website is explicitly pro-rapture, premillennial, dispensational, or all 3. I would argue that does not represent all or even most Anabaptists.MaxPC wrote:KB, there's an entire library of CA perspectives on eschatology at Pilgrim Ministry. Good stuff there and well worth the time to read or listen to. They have downloadable audio files as well as e-literature.
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I think it is probably a fair representation of what is taught in the PMC pulpits. PMC certainly qualifies as Conservative Anabaptist.Josh wrote:A lot of material on this website is explicitly pro-rapture, premillennial, dispensational, or all 3. I would argue that does not represent all or even most Anabaptists.MaxPC wrote:KB, there's an entire library of CA perspectives on eschatology at Pilgrim Ministry. Good stuff there and well worth the time to read or listen to. They have downloadable audio files as well as e-literature.
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