Well, in the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church hands are lifted in prayer- we haven't visited all denominations to see where it is done, but since they go back to Apostolic times, and we witness this in both, they are not ignoring the passage. In our former Pentecost/Charismatic days, hands were lifted in prayer, and in worship.Sudsy wrote:And what about taking the passage literally regarding men everywhere lifting holy hands in prayer. Is this not a twisting of interpretation to suggest this is not to be taken literal ? I, too, have some problems with the veiling passage. One being, that there is nothing in nature that indicates to me that men should have short hair. Actually in the Nazarite vow they were required not to cut their hair. Most pictures of Jesus show Him with long hair. For sure Samson and Abasolom had long hair. Man naturally grows long hair just as he naturally grows a beard and mustache. And as mentioned regarding Paul's comments regarding angels. Whats with that ?Valerie wrote:Do you remember GC Donner's testimony about this? His wife began covering her head when she read the passage- to her it seemed pretty clear. Once women start listening to modern day explanations, then they get confused. Or when translations come out that make them feel like it was only 'married women in the 1st century' who practiced this-Bootstrap wrote: And I am not smart enough to know what the underlying principle is and how we should best express that today. Would you like to carefully explain all that to me?
I apologize if I seem contentious about it but it's difficult to accept how God's word get's twisted to say what we want it to say. I see this being done with the homosexual passages as well.
To say that anyone ,who doesn't see veiling as a present day requirement, is a person who twists scripture for convenience purposes, could be passing unsubstantiated judgment on another believer and might be crossing the Romans 14 text.
I believe God is most interested in what is in the heart and not what man often judges things by which is often outward apparel. Wearing or not wearing a veil for women and for men lifting or not lifting hands in prayer means nothing if the heart is not in the right place of honouring God.
I don't mean to come across as judgemental when 'discussing' this Sudsy. Just contending for the faith once delivered to the saints- if the ancient Churches understand this and teach it, and ALL denominations used to do this (until the turn of last century, and 'new' denominations arrived on the scene) then again we have over 1900 years of history where there was not this utter confusion about it. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14) man has confused it, women's liberation has had a large part to play in this as well as vanity- it's difficult for men here to speak on behalf of women, but I've come from the women's lib era, and the lifting up of vanity we women tend to get caught up in, and satan hates headship order, he hates this whole teaching, and loves to get us out of order.