Josh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:29 pm
JohnHurt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:37 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:24 am
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Lots of people are called "Jews" who are atheists and don't believe in or follow God at all and who certainly don't follow the Talmud.
Orthodox, Conservative, and Liberal Jews. And Atheist Jews like George Soros.
Neither liberal (I assume you mean Reform) nor atheists follow the Talmud or even would go so far as keeping simple kashrut.
Judaism for many is cultural.
Christ never followed the Talmud as an Orthodox Jew, nor could Christ ever be defined as a liberal or atheist Jew. So Christ wasn't a Jew in the modern sense of the word.
I remember the Sabbath Day, and I try to keep the Seventh Day holy. A far as organized religion, there is not a lot of 7th Day Christian churches, just Seventh Day Adventist (where they worship Ellen White), United Church of God (Armstrong Cult), and various Messianic Christian groups.
The Messianic Christian churches can range from simple "homesteaders" or "back to nature" Sabbath keepers, all the way over to full blown Judaism with a Christian mask that converts Christians into Jews.
The worst Messianic Judaizing churches will have a Jewish Rabbi leading it, and teaching Christians to follow not just the Torah, but also the Talmud.
They pretend they follow the Laws of God, or the Torah, but they really follow the doctrines of men, which is the Talmud.
If you want to light a fire under them, ask them why they follow the Talmud when Moses said not to add to, or diminish the word of God:
Deut 4:(2) Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
The Talmud is a complete fabrication of men. Christ said as much in Matthew 15. A Messianic Jewish Rabbi will give you some unbelievable story that the Seventy in Numbers 11:16 were told "by Moses" to memorize the Oral Law, which became the Talmud.
When they tell you this garbage, then ask them why Christ condemned the Oral Law in Matthew 15. That is when they start yelling at you and asking you to leave. And you should.
These Messianic Jews, and all Jews, follow the doctrines of men, per Christ in Matthew 15. And it is not just the Jews, the Christians do it too.
Dispensationalism is the doctrine of men (Darby). Covenant Theology is the doctrine of men. (Calvin). The "Two Kingdoms" is a doctrine of men (Augustine, Luther, Calvin).
Only Christ should be our teacher (Matthew 23:8,10) We need no other doctrines. We don't have to understand anything but what Christ teaches.
One thing the Jews, and the Muslims have in common, is that they can see what is wrong with Christianity, while we are blind to our own problems. They both see that Paul has destroyed the Doctrines of Christ, and replaced the Doctrines of Christ with his own opinions.
No church today teaches the things that Christ taught, if it conflicts with Paul. Paul is the "god" or lawmaker of the Christian church. Paul is superior in every way to Jesus Christ in the modern "church".
A Muslim and a Jew will both tell you that they will never follow Paul because he abolished the Laws of God. For this reason, they will never convert from Islam or Judaism to the modern form of Christianity.
Muslims and Jews also oppose graven images, these idols of Christ, or pictures of Christ, and graven images of the dead "saints" that many bow down and worship. Christians also take His Name in vain, and have forgotten the Sabbath day.
And there is a lot of paganism in the Christian church today. The church steeple, dedicated to the rising of the sun, the Easter egg hunt from an egg laying rabbit, Easter Ham, Easter itself as a "holy Day" to replace Passover, and the abomination called "Christmas" which is a mixture of Mithras' birthday and Saturnalia. Christmas is the commercialization of Christ for profit, and in this way they take His Holy Name in vain.
I think when any of us point the finger at how bad the Jews are, with their ridiculous Talmud and doctrines of men, we need to look in the mirror to see the same errors in what we practice as well.
Have a great day.
John