Israel is Babylon the Great

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This website: https://web.archive.org/web/20230419151 ... .org/herzl
It is a jewish website run by Jews. There are several quotes listed, and if you scroll down, you will find my quote.

I never found someone who claimed this quote is fake. Did you?

I can now see that text on the page, but I can't for the life of me see anything that verifies the quote.

I'm asking something very simple. Please tell me which newspaper and which date so I can read the original quote. I don't think it exists.

I'm pretty sure its fake. I cannot find anything where Herzl says Jews are in control of other countries or world affairs. That's really out of keeping with his writings. This is precisely the kind of thing you find in Anti-Semitic propaganda online. I have searched for your quote to try to validate it, and I cannot find a valid source. Then I realized that ChatGPT could also be used for this, here's what it says:

Questioning the Authenticity of the Alleged Herzl Quote

The quote attributed to Theodor Herzl regarding wealthy Jews ruling the world and influencing governments and wars does not align with his verified historical writings or speeches. Herzl, known as the father of modern political Zionism, focused on the establishment of a Jewish state to address anti-Semitism, not on themes of global control.

Key Points to Consider:

• Misalignment with Herzl's Ideals: Herzl's advocacy was for Jewish self-determination and confronting anti-Semitism. His vision, particularly in "Der Judenstaat," does not include claims about Jewish global control.
• Lack of Primary Source: The quote lacks a verifiable source within Herzl's collected works or speeches. Authentic quotes of such nature would be well-documented, including specific references to their original publication.
• Anti-Semitic Context: The quote mirrors rhetoric often found in anti-Semitic propaganda, which falsely attributes manipulative global influence to Jewish people. Such stereotypes have historically been used to justify discrimination.
• Historical Misuse of Quotes: Fabricating or misattributing quotes to prominent figures is a common tactic to lend credibility to certain ideologies. This approach has been used throughout history to support various agendas.

Given these points, the quote in question does not reflect Theodor Herzl's views or writings. It's crucial to critically assess the sources of such statements, especially when they involve sensitive historical contexts and figures.

[Lex]

This website: https://web.archive.org/web/20230419151 ... .org/herzl
It is a jewish website run by Jews. There are several quotes listed, and if you scroll down, you will find my quote.

I never found someone who claimed this quote is fake. Did you?

I can now see that text on the page, but I can't for the life of me see anything that verifies the quote.

I'm asking something very simple. Please tell me which newspaper and which date so I can read the original quote. I don't think it exists.

I'm pretty sure its fake. I cannot find anything where Herzl says Jews are in control of other countries or world affairs. That's really out of keeping with his writings. This is precisely the kind of thing you find in Anti-Semitic propaganda online. I have searched for your quote to try to validate it, and I cannot find a valid source. Then I realized that ChatGPT could also be used for this, here's what it says:

Questioning the Authenticity of the Alleged Herzl Quote

The quote attributed to Theodor Herzl regarding wealthy Jews ruling the world and influencing governments and wars does not align with his verified historical writings or speeches. Herzl, known as the father of modern political Zionism, focused on the establishment of a Jewish state to address anti-Semitism, not on themes of global control.

Key Points to Consider:

• Misalignment with Herzl's Ideals: Herzl's advocacy was for Jewish self-determination and confronting anti-Semitism. His vision, particularly in "Der Judenstaat," does not include claims about Jewish global control.
• Lack of Primary Source: The quote lacks a verifiable source within Herzl's collected works or speeches. Authentic quotes of such nature would be well-documented, including specific references to their original publication.
• Anti-Semitic Context: The quote mirrors rhetoric often found in anti-Semitic propaganda, which falsely attributes manipulative global influence to Jewish people. Such stereotypes have historically been used to justify discrimination.
• Historical Misuse of Quotes: Fabricating or misattributing quotes to prominent figures is a common tactic to lend credibility to certain ideologies. This approach has been used throughout history to support various agendas.

Given these points, the quote in question does not reflect Theodor Herzl's views or writings. It's crucial to critically assess the sources of such statements, especially when they involve sensitive historical contexts and figures.

I have researched this quote very carefully on the internet. Several websites, including Jewish websites, use this quote. As I said, I have not found a single website that has questioned the credibility of this quote, not a single one.
You say you're sure this quote is fake, but you haven't cited a single source that claims this quote is fake.

From https://blog.pmpress.org/2019/08/31/is- ... tisemitic/:
There has always been a symbiotic relationship between Zionism and antisemitism. Many antisemites support Zionist ideology and the state of Israel. Trump’s advisor, Steve Bannon, for instance. And Eichmann himself, according to Hannah Arendt, had read Theodor Herzl’s Der Judenstaat, the founding text of Zionism, and became converted ‘promptly and forever to Zionism’. Conversely, many Zionists are antisemitic, Herzl, for one. “The wealthy Jews rule the world “ he wrote in the German newspaper Deutsche Zeitung “…they start wars between countries and when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer.”

The author is Leon Rosselson, he is a Jew.

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I have researched this quote very carefully on the internet. Several websites, including Jewish websites, use this quote. As I said, I have not found a single website that has questioned the credibility of this quote, not a single one.

In other words, you have not actually researched this quote. You now say it is from Deutsche Zeitung, but you don't know the date, and there's no way to find the actual source or to read it in context. And nobody else seems to be able to identify the source either.

That's not what "researched this quote very carefully" means. Not at all.

You say you're sure this quote is fake, but you haven't cited a single source that claims this quote is fake.

That's not how this works. This is an unverified quote, nobody seems to be able to say where I can find the original, and it's completely at odds with the things the original author wrote. I have used several tools to try to verify the quote, and can't do it. So the odds are, this is fake. The fact that people on the Internet copy each other doesn't mean much. If you haven't found a single source that claims this is fake, you have now -- me, after doing my best to find the original source. I'm not perfect, but I'm not bad at tracking these things down.

Fake until proven otherwise.

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Babylon sits seven hills, which are also seven kings (Revelation 17:9-14).

“This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

“The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

Rome sits on seven hills. Jerusalem does not.

And in Revelation 21:12, we see this:

It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.

If the names of the twelve tribes of Israel are written on the gates of the new heavenly Jerusalem, does that tell us that Israel plays a different role than Babylon in the Revelation?

These are just a few glaring things that become clear when reading the book as a whole, in context.

1. The seven mountains of Revelation are to be understood symbolically and not literally. The seven mountains are seven kingdoms. In the Bible, mighty kingdoms are referred to as mountains, such as the Neo-Babylonian Empire (Jer 51:25). Here is an explanation of the seven mountains and the Antichrist: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6597

When this was written, Israel was under military occupation by Rome. If you say "seven mountains" to people under this military occupation, this is what they are going to think of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_hills_of_Rome

The Seven Hills are important to Rome's myth of the founding of the city, and very close to its identity as a result.

Tradition holds that Romulus and Remus founded the original city on the Palatine Hill on 21 April 753 BC, and that the seven hills were first occupied by small settlements that were not grouped. The seven hills' denizens began to interact, which began to bond the groups. The city of Rome, thus, came into being as these separate settlements acted as a group, draining the marshy valleys between them and turning them into markets (fora in Latin).

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I vaguely recall someone back in the 1980s or 1990s claiming Tokyo was the Great Babylon.

Well, it does have the Great Dragon ...



But I think this is more about ancient Godzilla movies than anything else.

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I vaguely recall someone back in the 1980s or 1990s claiming Tokyo was the Great Babylon.

Well, it does have the Great Dragon ...



But I think this is more about ancient Godzilla movies than anything else.

And Godzilla was originally a pop culture response to Japanese trauma and anxiety about American nuclear weapons...which also has to do with empires that have overwhelming power and control.

[Lex]

The top 4 websites worldwide are: 1. Google 2. YouTube 3. Facebook 4. Instagram
Source: https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/
The Owners of Google and YouTube (Alphabet): Larry Page and Sergey Brin, both Jews
The Chairman and CEO of Facebook and Instagram (Meta): Mark Zuckerberg, a Jew

CEO of Disney: Bob Iger, a Jew
Chairman and CEO of BlackRock (the world's largest asset manager): Larry Fink, a Jew
President and CEO of Amazon: Andy Jassy, a Jew
Chairman of Apple: Arthur D. Levinson, a Jew

Jews in the Biden Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration
Jews in the Trump Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration
Jews in the Obama Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration
Jews in the George W. Bush Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration

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The top 4 websites worldwide are: 1. Google 2. YouTube 3. Facebook 4. Instagram
Source: https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/
The Owners of Google and YouTube (Alphabet): Larry Page and Sergey Brin, both Jews
The Chairman and CEO of Facebook and Instagram (Meta): Mark Zuckerberg, a Jew

CEO of Disney: Bob Iger, a Jew
Chairman and CEO of BlackRock (the world's largest asset manager): Larry Fink, a Jew
President and CEO of Amazon: Andy Jassy, a Jew
Chairman of Apple: Arthur D. Levinson, a Jew

Jews in the Biden Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration
Jews in the Trump Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration
Jews in the Obama Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration
Jews in the George W. Bush Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration

How can you show you don't hate Jews? seems like you are just as lost as Martin Luther.

Do you know any of the anti-Semitism the ancient church started? what Rome did to them in the name of embracing Christianity? Who Hitler used to support his purge?

You won't find supporters for your anti-Semitism here.

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When a person feels the need to make a disclaimer saying they are not an anti-Semite, it's almost certainly because their words and actions show that they in fact are anti-Semite.

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The top 4 websites worldwide are: 1. Google 2. YouTube 3. Facebook 4. Instagram
Source: https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/
The Owners of Google and YouTube (Alphabet): Larry Page and Sergey Brin, both Jews
The Chairman and CEO of Facebook and Instagram (Meta): Mark Zuckerberg, a Jew

CEO of Disney: Bob Iger, a Jew
Chairman and CEO of BlackRock (the world's largest asset manager): Larry Fink, a Jew
President and CEO of Amazon: Andy Jassy, a Jew
Chairman of Apple: Arthur D. Levinson, a Jew

Jews in the Biden Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration
Jews in the Trump Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration
Jews in the Obama Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration
Jews in the George W. Bush Administration: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... nistration

All of these lists of prominent Jews are nonsensical, a bit like Adam Sandler's "Chanukah" song where he lists famous Jews in order comfort hypothetical Jewish children alienated at Christmas. (My favorite part of the song -- "OJ Simpson: not a Jew").

I suspect that if you made a list of famous and powerful Protestants, you would end up with a much longer list (Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, Donald Trump, King Charles III, Ben Affleck and Dick Cheney). There have been 45 Presidents, almost all of them were Protestants -- two were Catholic, none of them Jewish.

Just because people belong to the same group doesn't mean that they are working together in some sort of shadowy international conspiracy. Both Donald Trump and Warren Buffett have Presbyterian backgrounds. Does this mean that they are secretly conspiring together?