Israel is Babylon the Great

[Lex]

Peace to you.

First of all, this is not anti-Semitism/racism. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

After much research, I found out that according to the Bible, Israel is Babylon the Great/Mystery Babylon. I'm just quoting the Bible here.

3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:

1. Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
2. Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:

1. Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
2. Jerusalem killed Jesus: Matthew 16:21

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15. Even today, people use the capital of a nation as a synonym for the whole nation. For example, when someone speaks of Washington he means the USA, when someone speaks of Moscow he means Russia.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 isn't about Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "the great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also be about Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not refer to Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:

Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.

To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. The USA also has the greatest cultural influence in the world. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_American_Jews

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media and politics. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as modern as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world. Important note: The list only shows prominent Jews from the USA. All the prominent Jews who lived outside the USA are not mentioned in this list. The great influence of the Jews is very remarkable, considering that they make up only about 0.3 percent of the world's population.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl (who was a Jew) in a German newspaper: "The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer."

Quote from Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and their lies": "That is, they permit themselves and their subjects to be abused and sucked dry and reduced to beggars with their own money, through the usury of the Jews. For the Jews, as foreigners, certainly should have nothing from us; and what they have certainly must be ours. They do not work, do not earn anything from us, neither do we donate or give it to them. Yet they have our money and goods and are lords in our land where they are supposed to be in exile!"

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. Source: https://www.decaloguesociety.org/assets ... %20War.pdf

George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, he was a Zionist:
https://founders.archives.gov/documents ... 06-02-0135
Washington was also a Freemason. Freemasonry in the USA was founded by Jews:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/freemasons
In fact, the freemason symbol is actually a stylized star of David:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GLzAHfhYRh4/ ... symbol.jpg
Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, and many in his administration are Jews.

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Reliable fact-checks on outstanding Jews in science, media, politics, finance, banking, and more: https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/

The Jews created Hollywood:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0bJcqps03D4/ ... 2BJews.jpg
The Jews created the Gaming Industry:
https://www.museumofplay.org/blog/a-bri ... ed-states/
The Jews created the P.rn Industry:
https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/adult-film/
The Jews created the Comic Industry:
https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/comic-books/

Everyone who has the Spirit of God must know that Hollywood, the Gaming Industry, the P.rn Industry and the Comic Industry are totally evil (Rev 18:21-23). This stuff has corrupted the minds of billions of people.

I have provided enough evidence that Israel is Babylon the Great.

Praise be to Jesus.

[Bootstrap]

Romans 11 give God's perspective on this. The Bible never calls Israel Babylon. Really, spend time reading the entire book of Romans or the Revelation from start to finish several times. It will clear things up for you.

Reading in context is better than proof texting.

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy.

[Lex]

Romans 11 give God's perspective on this. The Bible never calls Israel Babylon. Really, spend time reading the entire book of Romans or the Revelation from start to finish several times. It will clear things up for you.

Reading in context is better than proof texting.

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy.

I have provided clear evidence and you have not addressed a single one. And yes, I have read the entire Bible.

Indeed, Romans 11 is one of the most misunderstood chapters in the Bible and is often used by Zionists. Here is a correct explanation of Romans 11: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6594

[Josh]

Lex,

You may be very interested to learn the amillennial position, which is the most common Anabaptist eschatological position.

[Soloist]

Your gaming history is tenacious at best, while he did create the first gaming platform, he had no control over what came from it and his game was hardly evil anymore then one of the guys who made a train.
You would do better to attack the computer as consoles are basically dedicated computers.

You haven’t explained details of this city that doesn’t fit with your views very well such as the buying and selling virtually everything which would fit with the internet better.
I have little interest in reading into your other historical sourcing but your gaming stuff is a real stretch.

[Bootstrap]

I have provided clear evidence and you have not addressed a single one. And yes, I have read the entire Bible.

I don't think you have provided clear evidence. And I think reading in context is the best solution. I also think that your basic approach here is proof-texting in order to denounce Jews. I'm not sure that detailed discussion of the individual points is the best solution to that, but I'll address a few things one at a time.

Babylon sits seven hills, which are also seven kings (Revelation 17:9-14).

“This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

“The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

Rome sits on seven hills. Jerusalem does not.

And in Revelation 21:12, we see this:

It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.

If the names of the twelve tribes of Israel are written on the gates of the new heavenly Jerusalem, does that tell us that Israel plays a different role than Babylon in the Revelation?

These are just a few glaring things that become clear when reading the book as a whole, in context.

Proof 1:

1. Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
2. Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Try to tell that to the martyrs under Rome. The people who first read the Revelation were very aware of Rome's persecution of Christians.

[Szdfan]

Your gaming history is tenacious at best, while he did create the first gaming platform, he had no control over what came from it and his game was hardly evil anymore then one of the guys who made a train.
You would do better to attack the computer as consoles are basically dedicated computers.

He also ignores that one if the most significant developers and popularizers of video game consoles was Nintendo, which was and is a Japanese company.

[MattY]

This is disgraceful.
Why do conspiracy theorists always land on "the Jews"?

If Jews controlled the world, you'd think things would be going better for Jews historically, or currently.

It's fine to oppose Zionism politically, if you can do so without dipping into conspiracy theories about how the "Jews rule the world." But anti-Zionist conspiracy theories are inevitably antisemitic.

[Bootstrap]

Proof 3:

Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.

To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. The USA also has the greatest cultural influence in the world. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled?

I think the USA is a better candidate for Babylon than Israel. I'm not saying the USA actually is Babylon, though, I think we should be cautious about making this kind of association.

But I don't think the USA is controlled by Jews. This sounds a lot like Hitler's conspiracy theories, which led to the Holocaust.

No American president has ever been Jewish. There are about 10 Jewish senators and about 27 members of the house are Jewish. A distinct minority. I think Elena Kagen is Jewish, so that's a member of the Supreme Court.

Of the top 10 richest people, most are not Jewish, and the richest three are not Jewish. Most of these are Americans, though. Which makes the USA a better candidate for Babylon.

1. Elon Musk
- Net Worth: Not specified in the provided sources
- Key Companies: Tesla, SpaceX

2. Bernard Arnault
- Net Worth: $200.7 billion
- Key Companies: LVMH

3. Jeff Bezos
- Net Worth: $168.4 billion
- Key Companies: Amazon

4. Larry Ellison (Jewish Heritage)
- Net Worth: $135.3 billion
- Key Companies: Oracle

5. Mark Zuckerberg (Jewish Heritage)
- Net Worth: $125.3 billion
- Key Companies: Facebook/Meta

6. Bill Gates
- Net Worth: $119.6 billion
- Key Companies: Microsoft

7. Warren Buffett
- Net Worth: $118.6 billion
- Key Companies: Berkshire Hathaway

8. Sergey Brin (Jewish Heritage)
- Net Worth: $99.9 billion
- Key Companies: Google

9. Steve Ballmer
- Net Worth: $98.6 billion
- Key Companies: Microsoft, Los Angeles Clippers

10. Larry Page
- Net Worth: $105.1 billion
- Key Companies: Google

https://www.forbes.com.au/news/billiona ... the-world/
https://www.forbes.com.au/news/world-ne ... the-world/

[Bootstrap]

Proof 2:

1. Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
2. Jerusalem killed Jesus: Matthew 16:21

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

A text without a context is only a pretext. And even out of context, the verse simply does not say that Babylon killed Jesus.

Let's look at Revelation 11:8 in context:

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

That does not say that Babylon killed Jesus. And it prominently mentions Sodom, Egypt, "every people, tribe, language, and nation", and "the inhabitants of the earth".

Also, let's look at the beginning of this same chapter to see who is trampling the Holy City:

1 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

Oh - so the Gentiles are the ones who are trampling on the Holy City.