Israel is Babylon the Great

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gcdonner

Re: Israel is Babylon the Great

Post by gcdonner »

Lex wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:04 am Peace to you.

First of all, this is not anti-Semitism/racism. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

After much research, I found out that according to the Bible, Israel is Babylon the Great/Mystery Babylon. I'm just quoting the Bible here.

3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:

1. Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
2. Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:

1. Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
2. Jerusalem killed Jesus: Matthew 16:21

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15. Even today, people use the capital of a nation as a synonym for the whole nation. For example, when someone speaks of Washington he means the USA, when someone speaks of Moscow he means Russia.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 isn't about Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "the great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also be about Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not refer to Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:

Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.

To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. The USA also has the greatest cultural influence in the world. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_American_Jews

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media and politics. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as modern as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world. Important note: The list only shows prominent Jews from the USA. All the prominent Jews who lived outside the USA are not mentioned in this list. The great influence of the Jews is very remarkable, considering that they make up only about 0.3 percent of the world's population.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl (who was a Jew) in a German newspaper: "The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer."

Quote from Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and their lies": "That is, they permit themselves and their subjects to be abused and sucked dry and reduced to beggars with their own money, through the usury of the Jews. For the Jews, as foreigners, certainly should have nothing from us; and what they have certainly must be ours. They do not work, do not earn anything from us, neither do we donate or give it to them. Yet they have our money and goods and are lords in our land where they are supposed to be in exile!"

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. Source: https://www.decaloguesociety.org/assets ... %20War.pdf

George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, he was a Zionist:
https://founders.archives.gov/documents ... 06-02-0135
Washington was also a Freemason. Freemasonry in the USA was founded by Jews:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/freemasons
In fact, the freemason symbol is actually a stylized star of David:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GLzAHfhYRh4/ ... symbol.jpg
Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, and many in his administration are Jews.

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Reliable fact-checks on outstanding Jews in science, media, politics, finance, banking, and more: https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/

The Jews created Hollywood:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0bJcqps03D4/ ... 2BJews.jpg
The Jews created the Gaming Industry:
https://www.museumofplay.org/blog/a-bri ... ed-states/
The Jews created the P.rn Industry:
https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/adult-film/
The Jews created the Comic Industry:
https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/comic-books/

Everyone who has the Spirit of God must know that Hollywood, the Gaming Industry, the P.rn Industry and the Comic Industry are totally evil (Rev 18:21-23). This stuff has corrupted the minds of billions of people.

I have provided enough evidence that Israel is Babylon the Great.

Praise be to Jesus.
If you were to say that Jerusalem WAS Babylon the Great, you would be accurate. The Israel of today is not in covenant relationship with YHWH and hasn't been for nearly 2000 years.
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Judas Maccabeus

Re: Israel is Babylon the Great

Post by Judas Maccabeus »

gcdonner wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:44 pm
Lex wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:04 am Peace to you.

First of all, this is not anti-Semitism/racism. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

After much research, I found out that according to the Bible, Israel is Babylon the Great/Mystery Babylon. I'm just quoting the Bible here.

3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:

1. Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
2. Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:

1. Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
2. Jerusalem killed Jesus: Matthew 16:21

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15. Even today, people use the capital of a nation as a synonym for the whole nation. For example, when someone speaks of Washington he means the USA, when someone speaks of Moscow he means Russia.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 isn't about Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "the great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also be about Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not refer to Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:

Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.

To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. The USA also has the greatest cultural influence in the world. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_American_Jews

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media and politics. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as modern as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world. Important note: The list only shows prominent Jews from the USA. All the prominent Jews who lived outside the USA are not mentioned in this list. The great influence of the Jews is very remarkable, considering that they make up only about 0.3 percent of the world's population.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl (who was a Jew) in a German newspaper: "The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer."

Quote from Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and their lies": "That is, they permit themselves and their subjects to be abused and sucked dry and reduced to beggars with their own money, through the usury of the Jews. For the Jews, as foreigners, certainly should have nothing from us; and what they have certainly must be ours. They do not work, do not earn anything from us, neither do we donate or give it to them. Yet they have our money and goods and are lords in our land where they are supposed to be in exile!"

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. Source: https://www.decaloguesociety.org/assets ... %20War.pdf

George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, he was a Zionist:
https://founders.archives.gov/documents ... 06-02-0135
Washington was also a Freemason. Freemasonry in the USA was founded by Jews:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/freemasons
In fact, the freemason symbol is actually a stylized star of David:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GLzAHfhYRh4/ ... symbol.jpg
Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, and many in his administration are Jews.

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Reliable fact-checks on outstanding Jews in science, media, politics, finance, banking, and more: https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/

The Jews created Hollywood:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0bJcqps03D4/ ... 2BJews.jpg
The Jews created the Gaming Industry:
https://www.museumofplay.org/blog/a-bri ... ed-states/
The Jews created the P.rn Industry:
https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/adult-film/
The Jews created the Comic Industry:
https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/comic-books/

Everyone who has the Spirit of God must know that Hollywood, the Gaming Industry, the P.rn Industry and the Comic Industry are totally evil (Rev 18:21-23). This stuff has corrupted the minds of billions of people.

I have provided enough evidence that Israel is Babylon the Great.

Praise be to Jesus.
If you were to say that Jerusalem WAS Babylon the Great, you would be accurate. The Israel of today is not in covenant relationship with YHWH and hasn't been for nearly 2000 years.
For once, we are in complete agreement!
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gcdonner

Re: Israel is Babylon the Great

Post by gcdonner »

Judas Maccabeus wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:20 pm
gcdonner wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:44 pm
Lex wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:04 am Peace to you.

First of all, this is not anti-Semitism/racism. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.

After much research, I found out that according to the Bible, Israel is Babylon the Great/Mystery Babylon. I'm just quoting the Bible here.

3 proofs that Israel is Babylon.

Proof 1:

1. Babylon is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Revelation 18:24
2. Jerusalem is guilty of the blood of the prophets and of all the blood that was shed on earth: Matthew 23:35-37

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Proof 2:

1. Babylon killed Jesus: Revelation 11:8
2. Jerusalem killed Jesus: Matthew 16:21

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Babylon.

Note: Jerusalem as the capital of Israel represents all the people of Israel. Thus, Jerusalem is meant to be synonymous with Israel. We can see this especially in the passage in Luke 13:33 where Jesus says that it is impossible for a prophet to be killed outside Jerusalem. If Jerusalem meant only the city of Jerusalem, then there would be a contradiction in the Bible, because according to the Old Testament, prophets were also killed outside the city of Jerusalem. So when Jesus spoke of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, he meant the whole nation of Israel. The nation of Israel, that is, the Jews, killed Jesus and the prophets, see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15. Even today, people use the capital of a nation as a synonym for the whole nation. For example, when someone speaks of Washington he means the USA, when someone speaks of Moscow he means Russia.

Note to Proof 2: Some claim that Rev 11:8 isn't about Babylon. However, this is wrong. In Rev 11:8 the name is written: "the great city". Besides Rev 11:8, "the great city" occurs seven times in Revelation, in Rev 16:19, 17:18, 18:10, 18:16, 18:18, 18:19 and 18:21. In all these seven times, "the great city" is always identified with Babylon. Since "the great city" is identified with Babylon everywhere else in the book of Revelation, it must also be about Babylon in Rev 11:8. Otherwise it would make little sense and would also be very confusing if the author suddenly does not refer to Babylon anymore.

Proof 3:

Babylon controls the world: Revelation 17:18.

To find out who controls the world, we only need to know who controls the most powerful nation. The most powerful nation in the world is undoubtedly the USA. Both militarily and economically, the USA is far superior to all other nations on earth. The USA also has the greatest cultural influence in the world. This is clear to everyone. But by whom is the USA controlled? Who made the USA great? The answer: the Jews. The proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_American_Jews

If you look carefully at this list, you can clearly see that the Jews are the most successful in finance, media and politics. In fact, the Jews are the people with the best skills. Without them, the world would not be as modern as it is today. These special abilities that they possess has enabled them to have the greatest influence in the world, so that they control the world. Important note: The list only shows prominent Jews from the USA. All the prominent Jews who lived outside the USA are not mentioned in this list. The great influence of the Jews is very remarkable, considering that they make up only about 0.3 percent of the world's population.

Quote from an article written by Theodor Herzl (who was a Jew) in a German newspaper: "The wealthy Jews rule the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They start wars between countries and, when they wish, governments make peace. When the wealthy Jews sing, the nations and their leaders dance along and meanwhile the Jews get richer."

Quote from Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and their lies": "That is, they permit themselves and their subjects to be abused and sucked dry and reduced to beggars with their own money, through the usury of the Jews. For the Jews, as foreigners, certainly should have nothing from us; and what they have certainly must be ours. They do not work, do not earn anything from us, neither do we donate or give it to them. Yet they have our money and goods and are lords in our land where they are supposed to be in exile!"

Besides, the Jews didn't only make the USA great, it was actually the Jews who founded the USA. For those who helped the founding fathers of the USA very strongly financially were the Jews. Without this financial help of the Jews there would be no USA. It was this money that made the founding possible. Source: https://www.decaloguesociety.org/assets ... %20War.pdf

George Washington thanked the Jews personally for their support. In fact, he was a Zionist:
https://founders.archives.gov/documents ... 06-02-0135
Washington was also a Freemason. Freemasonry in the USA was founded by Jews:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/freemasons
In fact, the freemason symbol is actually a stylized star of David:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GLzAHfhYRh4/ ... symbol.jpg
Not only he, all US presidents were Zionists. Joe Biden, for example, declared on TV that he is a Zionist, all of his three children are married to Jews, and many in his administration are Jews.

In view of the above facts, the USA could be considered as the second Jewish country. There are about 16 million Jews worldwide. 8 million live in Israel and 8 million in the USA.

Reliable fact-checks on outstanding Jews in science, media, politics, finance, banking, and more: https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/

The Jews created Hollywood:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0bJcqps03D4/ ... 2BJews.jpg
The Jews created the Gaming Industry:
https://www.museumofplay.org/blog/a-bri ... ed-states/
The Jews created the P.rn Industry:
https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/adult-film/
The Jews created the Comic Industry:
https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/comic-books/

Everyone who has the Spirit of God must know that Hollywood, the Gaming Industry, the P.rn Industry and the Comic Industry are totally evil (Rev 18:21-23). This stuff has corrupted the minds of billions of people.

I have provided enough evidence that Israel is Babylon the Great.

Praise be to Jesus.
If you were to say that Jerusalem WAS Babylon the Great, you would be accurate. The Israel of today is not in covenant relationship with YHWH and hasn't been for nearly 2000 years.
For once, we are in complete agreement!
Who are you in agreement with, O great Hasmonean?
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Judas Maccabeus

Re: Israel is Babylon the Great

Post by Judas Maccabeus »

gcdonner wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:44 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:20 pm
gcdonner wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:44 pm
If you were to say that Jerusalem WAS Babylon the Great, you would be accurate. The Israel of today is not in covenant relationship with YHWH and hasn't been for nearly 2000 years.
For once, we are in complete agreement!
Who are you in agreement with, O great Hasmonean?
“” The Israel of today is not in covenant relationship with YHWH and hasn't been for nearly 2000 years.””
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gcdonner

Re: Israel is Babylon the Great

Post by gcdonner »

Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:59 pm
gcdonner wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:44 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:20 pm

For once, we are in complete agreement!
Who are you in agreement with, O great Hasmonean?
“” The Israel of today is not in covenant relationship with YHWH and hasn't been for nearly 2000 years.””
Exactly! Zionism has clouded the vision of the evangelical world. The present nation of Israel has no more or less favor with God than any other nation on earth. They are all subject to his sovereignty. The United States is included in that lot. There is only one "nation" in covenant relationship with YHWH and that is the church that brings forth the fruit.
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Judas Maccabeus

Re: Israel is Babylon the Great

Post by Judas Maccabeus »

gcdonner wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:00 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:59 pm
gcdonner wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:44 am

Who are you in agreement with, O great Hasmonean?
“” The Israel of today is not in covenant relationship with YHWH and hasn't been for nearly 2000 years.””
Exactly! Zionism has clouded the vision of the evangelical world. The present nation of Israel has no more or less favor with God than any other nation on earth. They are all subject to his sovereignty. The United States is included in that lot. There is only one "nation" in covenant relationship with YHWH and that is the church that brings forth the fruit.
Some of the stuff I hear from my evangelical friends if you listen carefully ALMOST sounds like Judaism saves. Only Jesus saves.
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gcdonner

Re: Israel is Babylon the Great

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:15 pm
gcdonner wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:00 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:59 pm

“” The Israel of today is not in covenant relationship with YHWH and hasn't been for nearly 2000 years.””
Exactly! Zionism has clouded the vision of the evangelical world. The present nation of Israel has no more or less favor with God than any other nation on earth. They are all subject to his sovereignty. The United States is included in that lot. There is only one "nation" in covenant relationship with YHWH and that is the church that brings forth the fruit.
Some of the stuff I hear from my evangelical friends if you listen carefully ALMOST sounds like Judaism saves. Only Jesus saves.
AMEN! Zionism does not help Jews nor Christians.
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Josh

Re: Israel is Babylon the Great

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:15 pm
gcdonner wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:00 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:59 pm

“” The Israel of today is not in covenant relationship with YHWH and hasn't been for nearly 2000 years.””
Exactly! Zionism has clouded the vision of the evangelical world. The present nation of Israel has no more or less favor with God than any other nation on earth. They are all subject to his sovereignty. The United States is included in that lot. There is only one "nation" in covenant relationship with YHWH and that is the church that brings forth the fruit.
Some of the stuff I hear from my evangelical friends if you listen carefully ALMOST sounds like Judaism saves. Only Jesus saves.
According to official Vatican II doctrine, it does!
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Judas Maccabeus

Re: Israel is Babylon the Great

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Josh wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:56 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:15 pm
gcdonner wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:00 pm
Exactly! Zionism has clouded the vision of the evangelical world. The present nation of Israel has no more or less favor with God than any other nation on earth. They are all subject to his sovereignty. The United States is included in that lot. There is only one "nation" in covenant relationship with YHWH and that is the church that brings forth the fruit.
Some of the stuff I hear from my evangelical friends if you listen carefully ALMOST sounds like Judaism saves. Only Jesus saves.
According to official Vatican II doctrine, it does!
Yet another good reason to reject Popery. (As if I needed another)
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