Soloist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:06 amMetal coat hangers aren’t mentioned in the Bible. If though you use them for divination, such as finding water or any other things claimed, I would refer you to the earlier passage I quoted to you. I think I will agree to disagree with you and I hope for your sake that it’s not witchcraft.JohnHurt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:57 am
Where are the verses in the Bible that tell us not to find water using a metal coat hanger as it comes from the Devil?
And please remember Deuteronomy 4:2:
So go ahead. I have answered your questions. Now answer mine.(2) Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Where is finding water with a coat hanger prohibited in the Bible?
Thanks,
John
I still stand by my statement.
Please note Wiki thinks it’s divination.Dowsing is a type of divination employed in attempts to locate ground water, buried metals or ores, gemstones, oil, claimed radiations (radiesthesia),[1] gravesites,[2] malign "earth vibrations"[3] and many other objects and materials without the use of a scientific apparatus. It is also known as divining (especially in water divining),[4] doodlebugging[5] (particularly in the United States, in searching for petroleum or treasure)[6] or (when searching for water) water finding, or water witching (in the United States).
So it wasn't in the Bible after all. Your definition of "divination" comes from man, not God.
You could not find it anywhere in the Bible.
There is not a definition of witchcraft in the Bible that applies to dowsing. I supplied all of the definitions of witchcraft and divination from the original Hebrew words in the Bible, and none of them apply to dowsing.
Somebody in the Catholic church made up this superstition about dowsing for water being from the Devil. The amazing part is that anyone would still believe this to be true.
I don't think Anton LeVey's "Church of Satan" practices "dowsing for water wells" as one of their "dark arts", or is involved in well drilling in any way.
Do you think the Satanists really use dowsing for water with coat hangers to show their allegiance to their "Dark Lord"? I could not find them in the Yellow Pages next to "Well Drillers".
Or is the idea that "dowsing is from the devil" a Catholic superstition that rests on the same level of gullibility as to believe that the "Basilica della Santa Casa" or "Holy House" of the Virgin Mary, was picked up by angels and taken from Nazareth to Loreto, Italy, with the "Holy House" having stopovers in two other cities before arriving at it current location, all courtesy of "United Angel Airlines":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_della_Santa_Casa
I will remember them the next time I decide to move, and don't want to leave home, but take it with me.
I cannot believe people are this gullible.
If you believe dowsing is from the devil, then why not believe the Holy House flew by Angels from Palestine to Italy?
If you are skeptical about dowsing even working in the first place, then more power to you. But just because someone tells you dowsing is from the devil doesn't make it so.
The other thing that blows my mind is how someone can take two passages (Hosea 4:12, and 2nd Kings 17:17) to make their point, and then when you ask them about the prohibitions against eating unclean food in Leviticus 11, they will claim this is all "Old Testament" and no longer relevant.
It is "pick and choose", or "Cafeteria Christianity". Yes, i will have two scoops of Hosea, but hold the Leviticus.
I think I need a tour guide to find out what is relevant in the Old Testament and what isn't. Oh, but didn't Christ say that "not one jot or tittle will pass as long as heaven and earth are here"? (Matt 5:17-20). Well, yeah, but Christ also said you could only have eternal life by keeping the 10 Commandments (Matt 19:16-19), and most people don't believe that either. They say Christ was under an obsolete "old" Covenant or Dispensation, take your pick, and they only follow the parts of what Christ said that they like and reject the rest, just like they pick and choose the parts of the Old Testament that they like and refuse the parts that make them uncomfortable.
That is how Hosea 4:12 applies to dowsing. It is grabbing a straw out of a hay pile you have already thrown away.
And if you are going to quote Hosea 4:12 against holding a stick in your hand:
(12) My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them:
Then you might consider how Moses used the rod of Aaron before Pharaoh to show the power of God (Ex 7L9), how he parted the Red sea with a wooden rod (Ex 14:16), and how he struck the rock with this same rod to produce water instead of talking to it, and was condemned by God. (Num 20:8-12)
Moses used his wooden rod for both good, and sometimes not as good.
It is how you use a coat hanger that makes it evil, and not the coat hanger, the rod, the stick or even the water that is found.
Is finding water for people to drink evil? No.
Is telling people that "dowsing is from the devil" a Catholic superstition? Yes.
Does dowsing even work? Yes for some people, no for others.
why do some people still believe in dowsing? Because it does work for some people. And if I told you how the dowser found out how deep the water was, you would not believe me, as I can't believe what I saw, either.
Finally, does this thread have anything to do with Genesis 19? Not anymore.