Dispensationalism, John Darby, etc.

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Re: Dispensationalism, John Darby, etc.

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Nomad wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:22 am
gcdonner wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:05 am
Nomad wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:13 am They were all waiting for Israels redemption as foretold by the prophets.
Daniel 9:26 states however that Jesus was "cut off" at the end of the 69th week...which then makes the timeline a little difficult if His birth was also at the same time as His being cut off...
Better read that passage again, it doesn't say "at the end", but "after". He was cut off in the middle of that last week, a week being 7 years and Jesus' ministry lasting 3 1/2 years, which would be "after" the 69th week. Jesus' ministry took place during the 70th week. Matthew is consistent with Daniel.
Daniel 9:24-27
[24]Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[25]Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26]And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I reread it and I still see it as being at the end of the 69th week. It doesn't say in the middle of the 70th week like you appear to be interpreting it. If it said, at the 69 and a half week He shall be cut off then I would agree with you...but it doesn't. The 70th appears to happen AFTER the 69th week has ended which is marked by His being cut off. I'm sorry, I dont fault your view...I just don't agree with it. I also recognize this is a major battleground passage with many different views...
Oh well, as long as you continue to misread the passage, there is no reason to discuss it.
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Re: Dispensationalism, John Darby, etc.

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gcdonner wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:36 pm
Nomad wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:22 am
gcdonner wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:05 am

Better read that passage again, it doesn't say "at the end", but "after". He was cut off in the middle of that last week, a week being 7 years and Jesus' ministry lasting 3 1/2 years, which would be "after" the 69th week. Jesus' ministry took place during the 70th week. Matthew is consistent with Daniel.
Daniel 9:24-27
[24]Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[25]Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26]And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I reread it and I still see it as being at the end of the 69th week. It doesn't say in the middle of the 70th week like you appear to be interpreting it. If it said, at the 69 and a half week He shall be cut off then I would agree with you...but it doesn't. The 70th appears to happen AFTER the 69th week has ended which is marked by His being cut off. I'm sorry, I dont fault your view...I just don't agree with it. I also recognize this is a major battleground passage with many different views...
Oh well, as long as you continue to misread the passage, there is no reason to discuss it.
Sounds good! I'm okay with agreeing to disagree on things pertaining to future events... :)

In the meantime, this reminds me of a quote I read by Robert Dick Wilson:
"One of the commonest tricks in all kinds of discussion is to assert that the view of your opponent is impossible, and that your own view is self-evident."
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