Poll: Palestine

[Nomad]

I see a future for Israel. Meaning, they will see the Messiah one day and repent when He returns to rule and reign on the earth. And Jesus will reign from Jerusalem over the 12 Tribes of Israel. I believe it as Biblically prophetic and I have no apologies with my view. The New Covenant has a place for Israel, just as it's indicated by the OT prophets and this will be accomplished. I'm even sympathetic to the Zionist movement since it was fostered out of persecution from so-called Christians AND Muslims.

But, I dont believe everything Israel does currently is to be applauded. When they kill innocent life or perform evil acts to the citizens of their country, whether Jew or Arab, we shouldn't be supporting it.

[Ken]

I'm glad to see how many people voted for #1.

It looks like we have a few people who support the Zionist movement. And one who does not.

Interestingly, it is many Orthodox Jews who are not for Zionism. They believe the regaining of Palestine should happen miraculously. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/an ... among-jews

How do you reconcile that with Galatians 3:

Reconcile what?

Religious Zionism with Paul's teaching in the New Testament.

[barnhart]

Ken, I think the people Ernie references are opposed to Zionism.

[Ernie]

Ken, I think the people Ernie references are opposed to Zionism.

correct

[Ken]

Ken, I think the people Ernie references are opposed to Zionism.

correct

My mistake. I read your first two sentences together. That you were saying you were glad we had people here who supported Zionism.

[barnhart]

I'm glad to see how many people voted for #1.

It looks like we have a few people who support the Zionist movement. And one who does not.

Premillennial Zionism is brand new in the history of the church. I wonder how long Anabaptists can hold those doctrines as escatological truths without ideas like divine right, manifest destiny and "recovering" America for God creeping back to inform Kingdom life currently. What value is obedience to Jesus' difficult teaching if the real battle to hold on to or recapture Zion (literal and figurative) is lost before our eyes.

[Valerie]

This is a fascinating video of the Son of a Hamas leader who became a Christian- he REALLY lays out the whole situation well. This is 11 yrs old & somehow came across it but VERY interesting- his story

[Ernie]

Replacement theology or Expansion theology?

Read and discuss.

https://pastorjoev.wordpress.com/2016/0 ... -theology/

[Josh]

Premillennial Zionism is brand new in the history of the church. I wonder how long Anabaptists can hold those doctrines as escatological truths without ideas like divine right, manifest destiny and "recovering" America for God creeping back to inform Kingdom life currently. What value is obedience to Jesus' difficult teaching if the real battle to hold on to or recapture Zion (literal and figurative) is lost before our eyes.

The answer seems to be "a few generations". Already I am hearing from multiple local sources that many Anabaptists (who have already bought into dispensational or premil views) that they really should be voting and that it's totally fine to go and volunteer in Israel to help support the war effort. It doesn't seem a very long trip from helping recapture Zion to deciding one needs to recapture America for God as well.

[Heirbyadoption]

What value is obedience to Jesus' difficult teaching if the real battle to hold on to or recapture Zion (literal and figurative) is lost before our eyes.

Barnhart, could you perhaps elaborate on what you are asking here? I'm not clear on what you mean by the real battle to hold onto/recapture Zion being lost...