Yes. So if we are to learn that Jesus was fully man and fully God, it is important to know the source of that teaching. This would come from Nicea. Biblically only, people all through Christendom get a very distorted view of Jesus. This is why you have very heretical viewpoints of Jesus's "fully man and fully God" viewpoints in Christendom.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:09 amThe New Testament doesn't give us a systematic theology that fully describes the Trinity, and some of the early Fathers believed things we now consider heretical. It can be kind of weird reading each Church Fathers from this perspective. It wasn't really until the Council of Nicea that a more complete theological explanation of the Trinity had been worked out.Soloist wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:34 pmI was speaking more towards the early church history arguing between trinitarianism and Arianism.
I don’t personally think that celestial flesh is somehow a deeper heresy than some other heresy. I also don’t think that the nature of Christ’s flesh really matters that much. We know he came in the flesh, whether it was tissue provided from Mary or not doesn’t really matter. I doubt Menno Simmons really knew how biology worked. The big issue really circles over whether or not Jesus had better resistance to sin than we do if He had celestial flesh. To that I really don’t know and if the Holy Spirit overshadowed her as it says, then chances are there was something celestial within Him. Adam from a certain point of view had celestial flesh. Either way I don’t see that it’s significant enough to shun someone over it seems a little bit like semantics really.
I’m content to say that I don’t understand all the mysteries of Jesus or the relationship of Jesus and God. What I know is that he was fully human.
Which makes me think that this kind of systematic theology is not the "meat" that the Bible is talking about. It didn't seem necessary, for instance, in Paul's letters.
But I do agree that it's important to know that Jesus was fully God and fully man.
Examples -
Mormon - Jesus was conceived through sex.
Jehovah's Witness - Jesus is the Archangel Michael
Hebrew Roots/many Messianic Jews - Jesus is a high priest but wasn't fully God.
Miaphysites (140mil people) - Jesus's divinity swallows up his humanity.
Many heresies too. Arian controversy.
Heresies like Docetism too.
What I advocate is we do learn of the proper council teachings on the Nature of Jesus Christ and how he is part of the Trinity. In fact, the council found it so important, they put out the Nicene creed. Let's see what they said! Let's learn! I believe knowing fully and learning are issues of meat. Meat strengthens the body. Spiritual meat strengthens our faith and helps us to repel attack from heresies, etc.