My mother-in-law is a devout Catholic. If you were to ask her if she was "born again" she would look at you like you were crazy.ohio jones wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:05 pmBest example of the fallacy of bifurcation I've seen for a while.Ken wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:50 amIt depends on how you use the term doesn't it? To the extent that Catholics and Orthodox ever use the term "born again" (which they tend not to) they would consider that to have happened when they were baptized at a few weeks of age.ohio jones wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:01 am
Best example of non sequitur I've seen for a while.
If they are Christians, it's because they are born again, not because they are Presbyterian or whatever. Christianity versus 'Churchianity.'
Is that how you are using the term? That "born again" simply means baptism and nothing more?
Or are you using the term in some broad sense that doesn't refer to any specific life moment or event but just to one's faith in general?
So yes, it does matter how you are using the term.