joshuab, did you word this the way you wanted to say it?joshuabgood wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:44 pmI am always disturbed by the question "Is something a heaven or hell issue?" In my view it is so loaded with problematic thinking, assumptions, soteriology, that it's not even wrong.
Just because I believe that anything can become a salvation issue or heaven/hell issue does not mean that I rest my salvation on perfect obedience. (As a young Christian, I thought my salvation did rest on perfect obedience/perfect repentance and I would not wish such an existence on anyone.) 35 years later I am still not perfect, yet I do have peace in my relationship with God. I am glad that God is still working on me. If I sin, Jesus is my advocate. I think this advocacy applies to sins I have repented of, as well as sins I am not yet aware of nor repented of.Sudsy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:55 pm We will have to agree to disagree. I am not resting my salvation on perfect obedience but rather on the gift I have received through what Jesus has done on my behalf. I may be resisting the Holy Spirit it in some area of my life and if I happened to die during this resistance period, I don't believe my salvation will be lost.
But there is such a thing as an obedient child and there is such a thing as a disobedient child. This does not mean that the obedient child is always obedient and the disobedient child is always disobedient. We give these definitions to children based on their intent and actions.
I think there is a very equal parallel to the Christian's relationship with God. I believe salvation is gifted by Jesus, and is maintained by an obedient, love/faith relationship with God/Jesus.