Heirbyadoption wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:05 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:58 pm
RZehr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:41 pm
Temp, I’m starting to think that you might admire Voddie Bauchams ideas.
i’m enjoying him almost as much as i enjoy you.
the above audio talk, kinda lengthy, makes me think of listeniing to a friend beginning a new adventure, informally chatting in his living room. ideas, hopes, plans. kinda like when you, and GaryK, began your church plants. fresh starts!
i have a long way to go to catch up with Max and H Lamar Smith.
Temp - we enjoyed hearing him at a homeschool conference a few years back. I didn't know much about him before then. Have you read much on his theology of children as vipers?
i’m new to VB, i first noticed him on this forum, possibly Robert shared a link last year, in one of the Seattle riots threads? My interest is exploratory, for sure.
i first heard of the vipers reference recently, jbg to GaryK, in another thread. i did not pursue at that time. of course the words are shocking, as they were intended to be in scriptures. my reaction was, “shocking. what is his point?” i did not pursue,
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3929&p=127797&hilit=vipers#p127797
because you mention it, i will pursue it, i am interested. because i appreciate so much of what i’ve heard VB say, my presumption is he has an important point to make. i won’t commit before learning more. i know he’s not Anabaptist.
i’m prepping to travel now and may not be able to get to it in a fair way until next week.
one personal thought comes to mind, tho.
when my grdaughter was born 13 years ago, what a miracle, blessing, and, answer to prayer. not just her birth and existence, but witnessing the transformation in her parents because of her. so much to learn!
i told them, i believe “God trusts in us” these dependent ones, to protect and guide them - for so many years!
humans are not like many species whose young are immediately or quickly independent. human development requires so much more. the end result is greater capacity, but getting there requires so much investment. God trusts so much in us. it’s a privilege, and humbling.
VB and his wife have a large family. they are invested. i’m not sure how many are adopted.
i’m just learning of them from the outside. i’m interested in dialogue, thank you for your question.
i don’t subscribe to making false gods out of ANYONE. or anything. i have NO expectations VB is any description idol.
one thing i pointed out to my daughter, before i was a grandmother, children are born dependent, innocent, and, NOT civilized.
God entrusts parents and society with the work of socializing/civilizing His creation, certainly, introducing faith. instructing. modeling.
it takes years+years, it may be the work of our lives.
no human or science creates life. God creates life. God assigns responsibilities. i tell my grdaughter she is God’s creation.
so, i will pursue with interest what VB is trying to address with his high shock value words.
his words were shocking, i presume intentionally so.
from what i’ve heard so far, VB’s motivation is to bring souls to authentic faith in Jesus Christ. to the best of his ability.
as i pursue this, i will be looking for how his words are intended for that end. i hope not to be disappointed. i’ll see what i find.
It is impossible to understand Voddie’s approach to the Bible without first understanding the path he has walked. 