Re: Ecclesial Evolution
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:10 am
MaxPC, I'd love to hear you answer Bootstrap's inquiries.
Max, I'd love to hear more on this too. I haven't personally encountered such Catholics thus far, nor heard of them elsewhere in any organized capacity. Perhaps you could expand on these things as Bootstrap has suggested? A new thread might be in order.If Plain Catholics exist, let's have direct, open discussion about them, where we can find them, how they live out their lives, why they would choose, of all things, Mennonite-inspired clothing and what that means to them. Let's not pretend that there is a group of Catholics that are just like Plain Mennonites only Catholic, let's talk about what it means to be a Plain Catholic and how that relates to Anabaptism.
EMU, Goshen, and Bluffton are certainly some kind of leaven.MaxPC wrote:Additionally: the College Thread has me considering the fact that many denominations and fellowships start educational institutions to equip disciples of Jesus with skill sets to be Christian leaven in society as well as evangelism. Perhaps this is one of those logical steps in spiritual/ecclesial evolution?
That was one reason for coming here. But the actual shift in thinking took place at least a few generations before that when the majority of the Anabaptists moved into the Bernese mountains, and similar places, hoping that out of sight would mean out of mind.MaxPC wrote:Do you think it was because of more religious liberty and less persecution in North America?lesterb wrote:One of the most easily noted shifts in Anabaptist history was the slide from ultra-evangelistic to the "shtille in dem land". By the time Anabaptists landed in North America, the push for evangelism had died and been replaced by the search for somewhere to raise their families in peace.
Your persistence in this matter is not helpful IMO. Have you considered the cost this may be having on MN? This is in no way a defense of Max.Bootstrap wrote: If Plain Catholics don't exist, let's stop pretending. The cost of avoiding this discussion or pretending, whichever it is, is really high for MN. We can always feel the tension of avoiding this discussion, and it never goes away. It keeps coming out in sarcasm or people who choose to pointedly shun other participants or a variety of other ways.
I've sent you a PM, Heir.Heirbyadoption wrote: Max, I'd love to hear more on this too. I haven't personally encountered such Catholics thus far, nor heard of them elsewhere in any organized capacity.
It makes perfect sense. Constant harassment and persecution wearies. Thank you for the input on this and the college formation.lesterb wrote:That was one reason for coming here. But the actual shift in thinking took place at least a few generations before that when the majority of the Anabaptists moved into the Bernese mountains, and similar places, hoping that out of sight would mean out of mind.MaxPC wrote:Do you think it was because of more religious liberty and less persecution in North America?lesterb wrote:One of the most easily noted shifts in Anabaptist history was the slide from ultra-evangelistic to the "shtille in dem land". By the time Anabaptists landed in North America, the push for evangelism had died and been replaced by the search for somewhere to raise their families in peace.
Ignoring it doesn't seem to make it go away. Most other forms of Amish fiction are not protected as well on MN.GaryK wrote:Your persistence in this matter is not helpful IMO. Have you considered the cost this may be having on MN? This is in no way a defense of Max.Bootstrap wrote:If Plain Catholics don't exist, let's stop pretending. The cost of avoiding this discussion or pretending, whichever it is, is really high for MN. We can always feel the tension of avoiding this discussion, and it never goes away. It keeps coming out in sarcasm or people who choose to pointedly shun other participants or a variety of other ways.