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Swiss Bro wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:05 am I haven‘t been following the development of Kanye West but I hear he dropped a new album and I wonder if I should give it a spin. I only intend to do so if (i) he is confirmed to actually (still) be in the faith and (ii) the lyrics are wholesome. I cannot judge it myself thoroughly as I am not a native English speaker. As Mennonet is rap savvy (cf. Public Enemy thread lol), I thought I‘d might ask you, dear fellow forumites if any of you can answer these questions.

Swiss Bro wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:05 am I haven‘t been following the development of Kanye West but I hear he dropped a new album and I wonder if I should give it a spin. I only intend to do so if (i) he is confirmed to actually (still) be in the faith and (ii) the lyrics are wholesome. I cannot judge it myself thoroughly as I am not a native English speaker. As Mennonet is rap savvy (cf. Public Enemy thread lol), I thought I‘d might ask you, dear fellow forumites if any of you can answer these questions.

But when it comes to faith, the album represents an interesting lyrical dichotomy.


On the track “God Breathed,” Kanye seems to conflate the God the Father with Maury Povich, the star of the long-running talk-meets-reality-TV show. Two tracks later, in “Hurricane,” Kanye suddenly prays “ Father, hold me close, don't let me drown.” The religious references are plain, but their purpose is not.


On “Jail,” Jay-Z, who is featured on the album along with Manson and DaBaby, playfully discusses being made in the image of God: “That’s a selfie,” he raps, and he compares himself and Kanye to Moses and Jesus. Meanwhile, West insists, “I gotta stay with God where the blessings is” in “Off the Grid.”

On “Jesus Lord,” Kanye pleads “ And if I talk to Christ, can I bring my mother back to life? ”
Is he trusting in God? Or is he just fond of the metaphors the Bible offers him? Is he a Christian because he buys into a prosperity gospel that tells him he’s cartoonishly wealthy because of God?

It’s impossible to decode. That is to say: Don’t expect to figure out Kanye’s personal faith anytime soon.

From the OP:
.. This thread is meant to be general discussion about “those certain people” who find themselves-and-their-faith, in the public eye in ways most of us never will, and would likely prefer not to be there.

Jess77 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:10 pm I know this is has been mostly a Kanye post, but getting back to the op, I was pleasantly surprised to learn Lucas Black is a strong Christian. I find his tweets to be extremely uplifting.

.. This thread is meant to be general discussion about “those certain people” who find themselves-and-their-faith, in the public eye in ways most of us never will, and would likely prefer not to be there.

"Are we being kind? Are we being loving? Are we being the best that we can be?
On whose behalf are we speaking? And what is my intention, moment to moment?
Am I doing this for self-glorification? Am I doing this because I have obligations to rumble the platform I'm on?

Or am I doing this because I genuinely believe that a better world is possible and that world is born individually within each of us, moment to moment?

And it's possible to change. I genuinely believe in change," he said. ..

temporal1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:44 pm

i only recently learned of his sinful background.

temporal1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:20 am When being a moral person isn’t enough. (i don’t believe JP SEARS was a dedicated unrepentant sinner)
In this he describes the mind+heart condition of LOADS of average public school educated (ignorant by plan) people.

AwakenWithJP / I Changed My Mind About God - Here's Why / 25min