Political party - demands?

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temporal1 wrote:
The same statement can be applied to church leadership: just substitute the words "church leadership" for POTUS.
The most powerful thing we can do is to pray for God's intervention. God is always faithful in answering our prayers. He is also faithful in providing the necessary graces to each new generation of Christian leaders. Struggles and suffering are just as much a part of Christian discipleship as our peace, joy and trust in God. The struggles help us to perfect our trust in God. That's why it's important to pray instead of getting upset with headlines, political maneuverings and manipulations.
i believe in prayer. i’ve prayed on this for years, since the 1990’s.
i knew far less than now about Catholics, but, i remember listening to Pope Benedict respond to the scandals of those years, thinking, “my goodness, he must have no idea how people believe sins against children and the vulnerable are not “ordinary” sins.”
Actually, Pope Benedict had very harsh words for these sins against children. He also used very harsh words for the homosexuals in the Church and did his best to get rid of those problems before his health began to fail. Probably the liberal media didn't print them or downplayed them. He is also the Pope who notified Pelosi that she excommunicated herself for promoting abortion and homosexuality. You may have missed those announcements because of secular media spin. It was announced in Catholic media. I think it would be good to avoid the secular media for a time since it causes you so many worries. Some Catholic media is almost as bad with its speculative scandal mongering.
temporal1 wrote:if those scandals had been addressed in a final way, there would be no need of revisiting today.
not on the present scale.
As I said before, there is no "final way". Each generation has its own problems in every denomination and fellowship. Man is sinful in each generation. There is no "final" until Christ returns or we die.
temporal1 wrote:Pope Francis can be confusing. but, he seems to be taking measures to address effective, tangible measures of prevention. better late than never. not quickly enough to keep secular gov away.
Christians have been at odds with secular governments since the beginning. This generation is no different; why should it be? Secular government does not seek God, it only seeks its own agenda. We cannot put trust in governments nor should we.
temporal1 wrote:personally, i’m with those who would like to see priests have the option to marry; one man, one woman. Pope Francis has addressed homosexuals in the priesthood, that they should not enter seminary, if they are priests, they should step away. his words do not seem to be limited to “practicing,” i’m unsure of that. many oppose priests marrying. many would be comforted to know it was allowed.
In the USA, homosexuals have been banned from entering seminaries for a couple of decades. The number of accusations for sexual predation have dropped in parallel with that. As for marriage: there are quite a few married pastors who are also sexual predators. Marriage will not stop that behavior. Vigilance, training, and avoidance of porn will stop it, at the very least limit it considerably.
temporal1 wrote:we are to pray! :D
but we are also not to be foolish. :-|
MATTHEW 10:15-17

15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

16 Look, I am sending you out like sheep among wolves; therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

17 But beware of men;
for they will hand you over to their councils and flog you in their synagogues .. :(

https://biblehub.com/matthew/10-16.htm
This I agree with.
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“As a bishop, it is my duty to warn the West’: An interview with Cardinal Sarah”
Cardinal Robert Sarah 5 April, 2019

https://catholicherald.co.uk/commentand ... nal-sarah/
7) One chapter is dedicated to the “crisis of the Church.”
When precisely do you place the beginning of this crisis and what does it consist in?
In particular, how do you relate the “crisis of faith” to the crisis of “moral theology.”
Does one precede the other?


The crisis of the Church is above all a crisis of the faith.
Some want the Church to be a human and horizontal society; they want it to speak the language of the media. They want to make it popular. They urge it not to speak about God, but to throw itself body and soul into social problems: migration, ecology, dialogue, the culture of encounter, the struggle against poverty, for justice and peace. These are of course important and vital questions before which the Church cannot shut her eyes. But a Church such as this is of interest to no one. The Church is only of interest because she allows us to encounter Jesus. She is only legitimate because she passes on Revelation to us. When the Church becomes overburdened with human structures, it obstructs the light of God shining out in her and through her. We are tempted to think that our action and our ideas will save the Church. It would be better to begin by letting her save herself.

I think we are at a turning point in the history of the Church. The Church needs a profound, radical reform that must begin by a reform of the life of her priests. Priests must be possessed by the desire for holiness, for perfection in God and fidelity to the doctrine of Him who has chosen and sent them. Their whole being and all their activities must be put to the service of sanctity. The Church is holy in herself. Our sins and our worldly concerns prevent her holiness from diffusing itself. It is time to put aside all these burdens and allow the Church finally appear as God made Her. Some believe that the history of the Church is marked by structural reforms. I am sure that it is the saints who change history. The structures follow afterwards, and do nothing other than perpetuate the what the saints brought about.

We need saints who dare to see all things through the eyes of faith, who dare to be enlightened by the light of God. The crisis of moral theology is the consequence of a voluntary blindness. We have refused to look at life through the light of the Faith.

In the conclusion of my book, I speak about a poison from which are all suffering:
a virulent atheism. :shock:
It permeates everything, even our ecclesiastical discourse.
It consists in allowing radically pagan and worldly modes of thinking or living to coexist side by side with faith. And we are quite content with this unnatural cohabitation! :shock:
This shows that our faith has become diluted and inconsistent!
:arrow: The first reform we need is in our hearts.
We must no longer compromise with lies.
The Faith is both the treasure we have to defend and the power that will permit us to defend it. ..
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I'm going to move this to The Saga Continues thread because it's more about watching a church face its own crisis rather than a political thread.
temporal1 wrote: “As a bishop, it is my duty to warn the West’: An interview with Cardinal Sarah”
Cardinal Robert Sarah 5 April, 2019

https://catholicherald.co.uk/commentand ... nal-sarah/
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Cardinal Sarah is at it again. :D
One comment i read on this report was, “C Sarah is trying to talk himself out of a job.” :lol:

Cdl. Sarah criticizes synodality: ‘Jesus never created bishops’ conferences or local Churches’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdl-s ... l-churches
June 13, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – During a recent visit to the Netherlands, Cardinal Robert Sarah commented on the “silent apostasy” of the West, also recalling that the Church needs to be united under the Vicar of Christ in order not to destroy itself.

“In this day and age, we in the West are living through a silent apostasy. We no longer need God,” said the Cardinal, who is the prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments.

He then went on to comment in a veiled way about so-called synodality initiatives springing up in various places, especially in Germany.

“People are trying to detach the local churches from Rome. People want to be autonomous with regard to Rome and the Vicar of Jesus Christ, that is, Peter, he who gives direction to the church of Rome,” he said.

Sarah also called for the Church to be faithful to its foundations.

“Without Peter, everything in the Catholic Church would be destroyed, reduced to fragments and become nothing. Jesus never created bishops’ conferences or local churches. It is on Peter that He built His Church. Destroying the unity of His church amounts to rejecting Jesus. People want to tear up and destroy the unity of the Church. Who will be surprised at this devilish project? Is it not true that you in the Netherlands, just as in countless other Western countries, are living in a ‘Church in Need?’” he remarked. .. ..
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temporal1 wrote:
June 13, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – During a recent visit to the Netherlands, Cardinal Robert Sarah commented on the “silent apostasy” of the West, also recalling that the Church needs to be united under the Vicar of Christ in order not to destroy itself.
That's kind of a hard sell on a Mennonite website, don't you think? United under the Pope? Not likely. We probably won't be united under any political figure either.

If Christians are going to be united, I think that's more likely to happen if we see Jesus Christ as our common foundation.
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Bootstrap wrote:
temporal1 wrote:
June 13, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – During a recent visit to the Netherlands, Cardinal Robert Sarah commented on the “silent apostasy” of the West, also recalling that the Church needs to be united under the Vicar of Christ in order not to destroy itself.
That's kind of a hard sell on a Mennonite website, don't you think? United under the Pope? Not likely. We probably won't be united under any political figure either.

If Christians are going to be united, I think that's more likely to happen if we see Jesus Christ as our common foundation.
i’m not selling anything. comparing notes.
i presume C Sarah is addressing Catholics. in Catholicism, i think of “the West” as the black sheep.
from the little i read, Africa seems to be rich in traditional Catholicism.

i’m not an authority. just learning.

this thread is in General Theology. :)
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temporal1 wrote:this thread is in General Theology. :)
I'd like to see more discussion of the General Theology.

I think LifeSite news is at odds with most Mennonite theology.
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