Justice

[JimFoxvog]

A number of times Scripture talks about justice for the oppressed. For example,

Ps 146:7 ​who executes justice for the oppressed, who gives food to the hungry. The LORD sets the prisoners free;

Justice, it seems involves ending oppression, food for the hungry, and setting prisoners free.

[ohio jones]

I try to avoid putting myself in situations around murderers.

How do you identify murderers so you know who to avoid?

Statistical analysis is a good way to start. I live 30 minutes from a city with one of the highest murder rates in America. There are some simple steps to take:

#1, avoid doing things that give someone a reason to want to kill you. So I don't get involved in things like drug deals.

#2, avoid going places that murders happen a lot. So I avoid certain places. These can easily be found online, but virtually everyone who lives around here already knows what to avoid.

#3, avoid being a violent, hotheaded person yourself. Every murder starts with a much smaller bad choice. If certain situations keep making you upset, avoid those situations. Peaceful people don't want to be around upset, angry people.

#4, if you see a group of people who you have reasonable cause to believe may be prone to random acts of violence, leave and spend your time somewhere else, unless you have a very good reason for staying. Sometimes, this is as simple as "hmm, I'm in Indiana, in the parking lot of a Subway about to close in 10 minutes, and car just rolled in with Illinois plates. Time to leave."

I heard yesterday about a guy I met years ago, a friend of friends, who was now a tow truck driver. He towed a car with a flat tire; the owner came in to pick it up, and argued about the $50 towing fee. When he wouldn't hand over the keys without being paid, the guy pulled a gun and shot him point blank in the head. Tragic.

I don't think your statistical analysis would have been of much help in identifying the potential murderer in order to avoid him. Practically all his customers had Illinois plates, given the location, which is not a high crime area.

It seems likely the murderer will spend years in prison. Is this justice?

[Robert]

It seems likely the murderer will spend years in prison. Is this justice?

No.

It is punishment and an attempt to remove that person from society since they have shown a lack of ability to handle themselves civilly in society.

Prisons are for two things, punishment and removing someone from society that can not conform to what that society has deemed civil and functional.

The biggest lie is calling the legal system a justice system.

It is not just that we sin and fall short our entire lives yet God accepts us into heaven because of the free gift He gives us through forgiveness through Jesus.

Our role is not to be just. We can not. We are to pursue justice and give grace and mercy since we are receiving grace and mercy from God.

[Signtist]

The biggest lie is calling the legal system a justice system.

This. Robert has seen some stuff.

[Ken]

I heard yesterday about a guy I met years ago, a friend of friends, who was now a tow truck driver. He towed a car with a flat tire; the owner came in to pick it up, and argued about the $50 towing fee. When he wouldn't hand over the keys without being paid, the guy pulled a gun and shot him point blank in the head. Tragic.

I don't think your statistical analysis would have been of much help in identifying the potential murderer in order to avoid him. Practically all his customers had Illinois plates, given the location, which is not a high crime area.

It seems likely the murderer will spend years in prison. Is this justice?

Only about 10% of murders occur between complete strangers. According to the FBI, about 76% of women who are murdered knew their attacker and 56% of men knew their attacker. A large percentage of the remaining murders were between people who had some connection with each other even if they didn't know each other (shootouts between rival gangs, etc.). So being murdered by a complete stranger is exceedingly rare.

As to your question about justice? I would argue that justice is a principle not necessarily an outcome. So in this case the murder might be convicted justly or injustly. You can't know that simply by looking at the outcome.

[RZehr]

Moving away from the criminal aspect of justice.

If I get divorced, end up paying alimony and child support, start gambling, then lose my house because I can’t make the payments anymore - is that justice or injustice? Is there any difference from my point of view, or the banks point of view?

[Ken]

Moving away from the criminal aspect of justice.

If I get divorced, end up paying alimony and child support, start gambling, then lose my house because I can’t make the payments anymore - is that justice or injustice? Is there any difference from my point of view, or the banks point of view?

It is neither. Those are just your own individual problems and behavior.

Justice is more about how society or the government treats individual people or groups of people.

I mean you could maybe call that sort of thing poetic justice or karma or something like that. But those aren't usually what we are referring to with the concept of justice.

In your example, I suppose there is an issue of justice in how the bank treats people. And whether the bank treats its customers fairly and justly, or whether it does so arbitrarily and unjustly in a discriminatory fashion.

[Ernie]

So being murdered by a complete stranger is exceedingly rare.

2000 people being murdered each year in the US is not something I would call "exceedingly rare". I know of people who have been murdered by strangers.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/195 ... -offender/

Plus, there are about 10,000 murders a year in which the murderer is unknown.

[Josh]

If you're careful (like me) to make sure that nobody who knows you wants to kill you, then the main way someone like me will get murdered is by a stranger. So despite Ken claiming it's "exceedingly rare", it's the biggest risk I face.

[Soloist]

If you're careful (like me) to make sure that nobody who knows you wants to kill you, then the main way someone like me will get murdered is by a stranger. So despite Ken claiming it's "exceedingly rare", it's the biggest risk I face.

Wife: the closest Josh ever gets is webpages denouncing him. That was pretty gutsy of him and Robert.