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Northwoods Church

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:47 pm
by JimFoxvog
I wonder if anyone here knows about Northwoods Church. They just sent a bulk mailing inviting all in the area to the grand opnening of their new "campus" on October 22, meeting at a movie theater in Princeton, IL. Their website is: https://northwoods.church/princeton-campus/.

Their "ABOUT" page says,
Our Associations

Northwoods is part of the Fellowship of Evangelical Churches, with roots in Anabaptist and Mennonite traditions. We are also members of the Willow Creek Association.
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Re: Northwoods Church

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:12 pm
by ohio jones
Generally FEC seems to think that their roots, like those of a plant, had best remain underground. But they are getting rather productive in planting churches such as this one. I'm not quite sure whether they plant in blocks or mix things up, though. While they wouldn't satisfy someone looking for a Plain or conservative Mennonite church, if someone is located where that's not an option, or is looking for a (somewhat generic) Evangelical faith community with generally conservative social values, it may be not be a bad alternative.

Re: Northwoods Church

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:57 pm
by Josh
I used to attend an MC USA church in the Ohio Conference that changed its affiliation to FEC about 3 years ago.

Generally FEC seems to retain the classic mainstream-evangelical Mennonite culture but is neither left wing nor plain. They do seem to be really good at evangelism and growing. My old church is exploring doing multiple plants, adding on to their building, or doing multiple services. They also seem to want to avoid church planting in another Anabaptist community’s back yard.

When they switched to FEC they became slightly MORE Mennonite - since FEC encourages footwashing at communion and when they were in Ohio Conference they didn’t do that.

What’s curious, Jim, about that announcement is the affiliation with Willow a Creek...

Re: Northwoods Church

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:50 pm
by ohio jones
Josh wrote:What’s curious, Jim, about that announcement is the affiliation with Willow a Creek...
Being "members of Willow Creek Association" isn't really an affiliation, it's purchasing access to a set of resources through Willow (with a credit card, your church too can join!). While including that info signals some alignment with Willow Creek's values, it doesn't necessarily mean they are ready to set aside FEC policy and follow Hybels down the women-in-ministry road.

Re: Northwoods Church

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:53 pm
by Sudsy
I noticed they have a separate statement stating their belief in eternal security. Are there other Mennonite groups who teach eternal security ?

Re: Northwoods Church

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:43 pm
by ohio jones
Sudsy wrote:I noticed they have a separate statement stating their belief in eternal security. Are there other Mennonite groups who teach eternal security ?
That appears to be a position of this church, but it is not in the FEC Articles of Faith. There's some latitude within the denomination; for example, the church Josh refers to would likely discourage military service, while FEC makes it a matter of individual conscience.

I'm not aware of any Mennonite groups that officially support eternal security, but within the Anabaptist family the Grace Brethren come to mind.

Re: Northwoods Church

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:52 pm
by Sudsy
ohio jones wrote:
Sudsy wrote:I noticed they have a separate statement stating their belief in eternal security. Are there other Mennonite groups who teach eternal security ?
That appears to be a position of this church, but it is not in the FEC Articles of Faith. There's some latitude within the denomination; for example, the church Josh refers to would likely discourage military service, while FEC makes it a matter of individual conscience.

I'm not aware of any Mennonite groups that officially support eternal security, but within the Anabaptist family the Grace Brethren come to mind.
Thankyou. I found this interesting on the subject, especially how the Swiss Brethren thought it possible to apostasize but also 'They held just as firmly to Christian assurance'. http://gameo.org/index.php?title=Eternal_Security

Re: Northwoods Church

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:26 pm
by cmbl
Sudsy wrote: Thankyou. I found this interesting on the subject, especially how the Swiss Brethren thought it possible to apostasize but also 'They held just as firmly to Christian assurance'. http://gameo.org/index.php?title=Eternal_Security
Today, Conservative Mennonite groups teach "Christian assurance." Old Order groups would frame that discussion in terms of having a "living hope."

There exists some variation on what exactly is meant by "Christian assurance." For example, in my intermediate-conservative setting, Matthew 7 is read in the sermons on Christian assurance, and Old Order views are treated with respect. But I've also been in less conservative settings where after one speaker read from Matthew 7, the next speaker said, "We're not talking about salvation here" and people would pray before Amish and thank God they can "have assurance of salvation," as if to evangelize the Amish to their view.

Re: Northwoods Church

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:31 pm
by Bill Rushby
a "living hope."=? a "lively hope"