Where are the Anabaptists in the UK?

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Re: Where are the Anabaptists in the UK?

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Josh wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:04 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:16 pm
Josh wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:50 pm PBs also don’t hold to nonresistance.
At one time they did, or at least a sizable faction. Was surprised myself when I read the article on the subject.
Interesting. I would suspect that was due to Quaker influences.

In my own family lineage, we descend from a line of Quaker preachers, who migrated to PA in the 1700s, who in turn descended from a lady who was married twice, once in Germany and then in England. Her other marriage was to the ancestors of the Anabaptist family known as the Overholts, who also migrated to PA in the 1700s. Interestingly, these two families basically migrated to NC and Ohio around the same time too.
Quaker preachers???? Were they members with an unprogrammed meeting? Or were they clerks at the yearly meetings? Quakers who are very vocal in meetings are called "weighty members" but I am not aware that the unprogrammed Quakers had preachers. I think the Midwest and Western Quakers had preachers however.
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Martin wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:06 am
In my own family lineage, we descend from a line of Quaker preachers, who migrated to PA in the 1700s, who in turn descended from a lady who was married twice, once in Germany and then in England. Her other marriage was to the ancestors of the Anabaptist family known as the Overholts, who also migrated to PA in the 1700s. Interestingly, these two families basically migrated to NC and Ohio around the same time too.
Quaker preachers???? Were they members with an unprogrammed meeting? Or were they clerks at the yearly meetings? Quakers who are very vocal in meetings are called "weighty members" but I am not aware that the unprogrammed Quakers had preachers. I think the Midwest and Western Quakers had preachers however.
Well, I'd call them "preachers", and that's how they are described in geneological records; at the time they would have been "recorded members" or whatever they used to call them. My particular extended family ended up caucusing with the Gurneyites who eventually were comfortable with the term "preacher" or "minister". As I undertsand it, a Quaker leader back in the 1700s was more easily identified by what he did outside of the service than speaking inside of it.
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Re: Where are the Anabaptists in the UK?

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Heirbyadoption wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:58 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:13 am
Heirbyadoption wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:49 pmI have long been under the impression that there have never been large numbers of Anabaptist Christians in the UK...
Unless you count the Plymouth Brethren.
Nothing against them, but while they would technically rebaptize anybody baptized as an infant and anybody who wasn't baptized by immersion, from an ecclesio-historical perspective, they were an 1820 nonconformist group that broke from Anglicanism, and were never actually part of the Radical Reformation / Anabaptist movement or its descendants, as I understand it... Unless perhaps I've misunderstood something about them...?

Some of the English Baptist claim some kinship/influence from the continental Anabaptists, but that's another ball of wax. For some reference to this, see: https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/bq/02-1_024.pdf
Found a reference to their nonresistance views in their early years. There are actually better ones than this, but the online version is behind a paywall:

https://www.bruederbewegung.de/pdf/embl ... tation.pdf

Page 65.

I am not suggesting they have connections to the radical reformation. Just that thay reached toe same conclusions from the same source, the Bible.

I would not suggest that Ebhart Arnold had any connections to the radical reformation. Yet most all would recognize it as part of Anabaptism.(that being if you don’t believe it is a cult). I guess I am using a theological test rather than a historical one.
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Praxis+Theodicy wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:03 pm I love the channel Ready to Harvest. This was a neat and thorough video looking at the very very small number of anabaptist church groups in the UK today.

There are bruderhof comunities in the UK
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Thomas_muntzer wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:58 pm
Praxis+Theodicy wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:03 pm I love the channel Ready to Harvest. This was a neat and thorough video looking at the very very small number of anabaptist church groups in the UK today.

There are bruderhof comunities in the UK
I know. They fled there as well when escaping the Nazis. AFAIK, 2 communities.
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