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Catholic martyrdom? Was that some huge thing?MaxPC wrote:These answers are helpful. Thank you.
Catholic families tend to be attached to European roots/places, even those where their families were persecuted and martyred. I wondered if there was a similar attachment among the Anabaptists.
The first 3 centuries of Christianity, so yes!Josh wrote:Catholic martyrdom? Was that some huge thing?MaxPC wrote:These answers are helpful. Thank you.
Catholic families tend to be attached to European roots/places, even those where their families were persecuted and martyred. I wondered if there was a similar attachment among the Anabaptists.
More than that: it's ongoing and continues today with priests and faithful "disappearing", being tortured and martyred in China, the Middle East, and many other places around the world.Valerie wrote:The first 3 centuries of Christianity, so yes!Josh wrote:Catholic martyrdom? Was that some huge thing?MaxPC wrote:These answers are helpful. Thank you.
Catholic families tend to be attached to European roots/places, even those where their families were persecuted and martyred. I wondered if there was a similar attachment among the Anabaptists.
"Faith of our Fathers" was written by a Catholic man from England - it references persecution, e.g. "dungeon, fire, and sword". (The original third verse, obviously skipped by Protestants and Anabaptists: "Faith of our Fathers! Mary's prayers / Shall win our country back to thee / And through the truth that comes from God / Our land shall then indeed be free").Josh wrote:Catholic martyrdom? Was that some huge thing?MaxPC wrote:These answers are helpful. Thank you.
Catholic families tend to be attached to European roots/places, even those where their families were persecuted and martyred. I wondered if there was a similar attachment among the Anabaptists.
Well, bless your Hart, Josh.Josh wrote:Birthplace? My birthplace where I had the New Birth was Hartville, Ohio. And that's where I continue to focus on trying to live and share the good news.
And I think God is doing that, with both spellings!
good point. i wasn't thinking of that, but, i wonder why?buckeyematt2 wrote: .. Every major historic denomination probably has had martyrs, and has a feeling about martyrdom as part of its history, which shapes its sense of identity.
Some of course more than others, like the Anabaptists.
But any religion has martyrs, so that's not that remarkable.
I've seen a quote somewhere, I think from Charles Spurgeon, about the true test of a religion not being the existence of martyrs, but rather whether it will persecute others when it has the opportunity to do so.
i admit, i never had the most remote thought that beheadings, and other public displays of torture+murder, would become commonplace in daily news, or "expected" on U.S. soil... But Christians in the U.S. are rank amateurs compared to the Muslim persecution of Christians in the Middle East ..
Millions of Christians were martyred in Russia last century, most of them Orthodox. Presently, their is a larger amount of martyrs in the middle east, reportedly the largest amount of martyrs from the history of the Church, most of these would be Orthodox & Catholic from what i have heard on Christian radio-buckeyematt2 wrote:"Faith of our Fathers" was written by a Catholic man from England - it references persecution, e.g. "dungeon, fire, and sword". (The original third verse, obviously skipped by Protestants and Anabaptists: "Faith of our Fathers! Mary's prayers / Shall win our country back to thee / And through the truth that comes from God / Our land shall then indeed be free").Josh wrote:Catholic martyrdom? Was that some huge thing?MaxPC wrote:These answers are helpful. Thank you.
Catholic families tend to be attached to European roots/places, even those where their families were persecuted and martyred. I wondered if there was a similar attachment among the Anabaptists.
Every major historic denomination probably has had martyrs, and has a feeling about martyrdom as part of its history, which shapes its sense of identity. Some of course more than others, like the Anabaptists. But any religion has martyrs, so that's not that remarkable. I've seen a quote somewhere, I think from Charles Spurgeon, about the true test of a religion not being the existence of martyrs, but rather whether it will persecute others when it has the opportunity to do so.
If the "Christians" are pro war and bombing in the Middle East and "Christians" are what the Middle East sees coming out of Hollywood, I can't expect them to hold a high view of "Christians". Similarly, when Americans see violence from them we hold a low opinion of them as well.In the Salafist website, ‘Guardians of the Faith’, you can read that Muslims are superior to Egypt’s Coptic Christians because “Being a Muslim girl whose role models are the wives of the Prophet, who were required to wear the hijab, is better than being a Christian girl, whose role models are whores” and “Being a Muslim who fights to defend his honor and his faith is better than being a Christian who steals, rapes, and kills children.”
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Do you think they'd let us have "our" reservation back again? I've heard that the boundary stones that they used to keep us in our place are still there. A mountaintop Swiss chalet doesn't sound so bad anymore in modern times with modern conveniences.ohio jones wrote:
We would have to grab enough land to grow our own food at least, as expen$iv€ as that is in Switzerland. Fortunately we would no longer be restricted to owning land above certain elevations.