“ This, then, is how you should pray:ohio jones wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:41 pmWho did Jesus pray to, and who did he teach his followers to pray to?
“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,”
“ This, then, is how you should pray:ohio jones wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:41 pmWho did Jesus pray to, and who did he teach his followers to pray to?
His Father, not his mother.ohio jones wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:41 pmWho did Jesus pray to, and who did he teach his followers to pray to?
Sure.
Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
I agree. To whom should this prayer be addressed?
I was reminded of this post when I saw some headlines this afternoon about a certain Roman Catholic President who has been claiming to communicate with dead politicians.MaxPC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:59 pmIn the definitional context that prayer is conversation: Jesus conversed with Moses and Elijah.ohio jones wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:41 pmWho did Jesus pray to, and who did he teach his followers to pray to?
Here's the passage. A few study questions:
The Transfiguration
After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”
The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Again you're getting things confused between praying to, and asking intersession. You're getting worship confused with veneration. And you still need to remember everything the Church was taught was not written down.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:29 pmSure.
So according to the Bible, who do we pray to? Who do we bow down to? Who is our mediator before God? Who is our Paraclete? What does the Bible tell us about praying to anyone else?
How can I tell if I am praying to God or to someone else? The Vatican website calls the "Hail Mary" a prayer. Who is this prayer addressed to?
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/prayers/t ... -mary.html
Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
Surely they've all been written down by now, haven't they? Have they been collected in a book or set of books where one can read and study them? Or are some of the traditions still stubbornly oral?
I have no idea. I'm not Catholic or Orthodox. They were the Church Jesus and the Apostles started. He did not start the Church with a manuscript, right,? The Church didn't seem to feel it would someday have to prove themselves to Protestants who were starting in the 16th century depending on "Bible only" which we can see what that caused. This isn't meant to be offensive but I am not assuming to know everything that was orally taught when we weren't there. I just find it interesting every church in every country the Apostles started Churches, whether in easy or west understand some things that we do not so if we lack that, it may be we won't know until the other side. I DO know wheny husband thought he may have been dying, somehow without asking for her, he is sure his mother came to his hospital room, he didn't see her but heard her. I don't understand but he did not make it up. I know him. I'm just to the point I refuse to tell them they're wrong as if I ",know".ohio jones wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:21 pmSurely they've all been written down by now, haven't they? Have they been collected in a book or set of books where one can read and study them? Or are some of the traditions still stubbornly oral?
Like any oral tradition, they are subject to corruption. That is why we have WRITTEN scripture to guide us.ohio jones wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 8:21 pmSurely they've all been written down by now, haven't they? Have they been collected in a book or set of books where one can read and study them? Or are some of the traditions still stubbornly oral?