Jacob Ammon & the "Martyrs Mirror"

[Josh]

Virtually none of the people who followed Reist remain Anabaptist or nonviolent to this day; almost all present day Mennonites (whether liberal or conservative) have their lineage from the Amman side of things.

How, for example, did Lancaster Conference Mennonites derive from Amman's group?

Or, for that matter the “Russian” Mennonites?

Sorry, I should have said "Swiss Mennonites". Russian Mennonites (who aren't actually Russian) have always been a distinct thing with surprisingly little crossover since the 1600s.

[Josh]

Virtually none of the people who followed Reist remain Anabaptist or nonviolent to this day; almost all present day Mennonites (whether liberal or conservative) have their lineage from the Amman side of things.

How, for example, did Lancaster Conference Mennonites derive from Amman's group?

What last names do you find in a typical church of such? Sure, there are some Martins and Weavers, but there are a lot more Yoders and Millers.

In terms of the actual lineages from people who followed Reist, very very few remain Anabaptist to this day, in rather sharp contrast to Ammann's group, where you can trace genealogies back surprisingly far. I would venture that the reason for this phenomenon is that so many Amish-Mennonite background people ended up "migrating" to the non-Amish Swiss Mennonite church groups. The present-day Swiss conference is barely 2,000 members.

Of course, this may point to a problem with Ammann's approach as well, that despite being numerically dominant, those who followed him seem to often be attracted to drift over to the remnants of the Reist's teachings. This points to an overarching greater problem with the entire philosophy of Swiss Brethren Anabaptism.

[mike]

Virtually none of the people who followed Reist remain Anabaptist or nonviolent to this day; almost all present day Mennonites (whether liberal or conservative) have their lineage from the Amman side of things.

How, for example, did Lancaster Conference Mennonites derive from Amman's group?

What last names do you find in a typical church of such? Sure, there are some Martins and Weavers, but there are a lot more Yoders and Millers.

I'm a member of Hope Mennonite Fellowship, derived from Lancaster Conference by way of EPMC. I'm just asking for information about how Lancaster Conference Mennonites derived from Amman's group. Are you able to back up that claim or not?

In terms of last names in my conference, there are piles of Weavers and Martins, but very few Yoders and Millers. Are you suggesting that last names such as Weaver and Martin are not derived from Amman's group? If so, then it most certainly is not correct to say that virtually none of the people who followed Reist remain Anabaptist or nonviolent to this day.

[barnhart]

Virtually none of the people who followed Reist remain Anabaptist or nonviolent to this day; almost all present day Mennonites (whether liberal or conservative) have their lineage from the Amman side of things.

How, for example, did Lancaster Conference Mennonites derive from Amman's group?

Or, for that matter the “Russian” Mennonites?

Or, the Virginia Mennonites?

[Swiss Bro]

Dude was named Ammann. Ammon is an ancient people going back to Lot, the brother of Moses. Fun fact: The capital city of Jordan (the country) is still named Amman, after Ammon, not Jakob Ammann.

Sorry for being a wisecrack, I know nobody likes those.

Lot the brother of Moses?

[HondurasKeiser]

Virtually none of the people who followed Reist remain Anabaptist or nonviolent to this day; almost all present day Mennonites (whether liberal or conservative) have their lineage from the Amman side of things.

How, for example, did Lancaster Conference Mennonites derive from Amman's group?

What last names do you find in a typical church of such? Sure, there are some Martins and Weavers, but there are a lot more Yoders and Millers.

In terms of the actual lineages from people who followed Reist, very very few remain Anabaptist to this day, in rather sharp contrast to Ammann's group, where you can trace genealogies back surprisingly far. I would venture that the reason for this phenomenon is that so many Amish-Mennonite background people ended up "migrating" to the non-Amish Swiss Mennonite church groups. The present-day Swiss conference is barely 2,000 members.

Of course, this may point to a problem with Ammann's approach as well, that despite being numerically dominant, those who followed him seem to often be attracted to drift over to the remnants of the Reist's teachings. This points to an overarching greater problem with the entire philosophy of Swiss Brethren Anabaptism.

What are some of the surnames in Reist’s group?

[HeIsRisen]

So, I was recently listening to this episode of Anabaptist Perspectives

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ua0XTnUoY ... l2ZQ%3D%3D

Around the 2:40 mark he displays a timeline that might be applicable. There is another timeline on church planters forum called Timeline of Amish Mennonite Separations & Mergers – 1693-2012

https://churchplantersforum.org/resourc ... resources/

[Ernie]

Reist Mennonite surnames include:

Allgyer, Amstutz, Auker, Baer, Bear, Bauman, Bender, Bergey, Boll, Brenneman, Brubacher, Burkholder, Byers, Danner, Derstine, Diller, Eberly, Ebersole, Eby, Ehst, Eshbach, Eshleman, Faus, Fox, Freed, Frey, Funk, Gehman, Good, Groff, Halteman, Heatwole, Hege, High, Hoover, Horst, Hurst, Hostetter, Huber, Kreider, Landis, Lehman, Martin, Miller (Reist offspring), Moyer, Musser, Myers, Newswanger, Nolt, Reiff, Rhodes, Rodes, Rohrer, Rudolph, Sensenig, Shank, Shaum, Shirk, Showalter, Siegrist, Stauffer, Strite, Sweigart, Wadel, Weaver (Reist offspring), Weber, Wenger, Witmer, Zehr, Zeiset, Zimmerman

There are scores of thousands of these folks if not hundreds of thousands of these folks who are still non-resistant and non-conformed.

[joshuabgood]

Josh seems to be speaking from his experience in Midwest churches and or CMC. Where Miller's and Yoders proliferate. Bur those groups derive from Amish lineage.

[Neto]

Reist Mennonite surnames include:

Allgyer, Amstutz, Auker, Baer, Bear, Bauman, Bender, Bergey, Boll, Brenneman, Brubacher, Burkholder, Byers, Danner, Derstine, Diller, Eberly, Ebersole, Eby, Ehst, Eshbach, Eshleman, Faus, Fox, Freed, Frey, Funk, Gehman, Good, Groff, Halteman, Heatwole, Hege, High, Hoover, Horst, Hurst, Hostetter, Huber, Kreider, Landis, Lehman, Martin, Miller (Reist offspring), Moyer, Musser, Myers, Newswanger, Nolt, Reiff, Rhodes, Rodes, Rohrer, Rudolph, Sensenig, Shank, Shaum, Shirk, Showalter, Siegrist, Stauffer, Strite, Sweigart, Wadel, Weaver (Reist offspring), Weber, Wenger, Witmer, Zehr, Zeiset, Zimmerman

There are scores of thousands of these folks if not hundreds of thousands of these folks who are still non-resistant and non-conformed.

A question (or two):
Are the Reist Mennonites by any chance the ones that we "Russian Mennonites" always called "Old Mennonites"? (I am not referring to "Old COLONY Mennonites - that is something different, a group from my own people.) I had never heard this designation before.
Second, I see the name Funk in your list. I have Funk relatives, and it is a fairly common name in Plautdietsch circles. Do you know the genealogical/ethnic background for this family name?
EDIT: A third... Now I also see the name Wadel in your list. I wonder if there is a connection between Wadel and Wedel.