Had a busy day but getting back to your response.Judas Maccabeus wrote:Wow. You are here trying to explain away the scripture, rather than trying to be led by it's meaning. You do realize that is EXACTLY the same technique that the pro LGBT groups use to explain away Romans 1? If you take this approach, you can make the scriptures mean anything you like.Sudsy wrote:And here is a view that considers that what Paul said about women was about women in that day being uneducated and could be mislead by false teachers. In other words Paul was addressing specific circumstances in EphesusJosh wrote:I am fully in favour of women teaching, preaching, prophesying, being messengers, and sharing the good news.
I do think, however, that the Bible lays out requirements for an elder and a deacon on purpose. And it's also clear Paul does not allow a woman to exercise authority over a man, including in teaching.
I am actually saving some of this stuff, in the unlikely chance I ever teach Hermeneutics again, I will be using this stuff as examples of what not to do. This is actually priceless. We call this "saying without citing" in other words, you do not have a shread of evidence, Biblical or otherwise to prove this true, yet you use this as if it is just as valid as taking the plain meaning of the passage. This ends up with doctrine built on conjecture rather then truth. Are you sure you want to go down this path?
J.M.
Wow ! You do realize that your response is priceless by those who do not want to look at culture and immediate audience when they interpret scripture application.
Firstly, I am not saying these are my views. And those with this view would agree that the plain meaning is a plain meaning. But taking the culture and the educational level if women in those days, they just do not think it applies the same today. And you may not agree but history does prove that men in those days had a huge advantage in being educated.
I would rather go on my experience in relationship to women in teaching roles. As I said before, I was raised under a woman pastor. Wonderful bible teacher. She led many to Christ and taught them how to live the Christian life. Many of them became pastors and teachers. So, one can believe whatever they want about whether or not God views their teaching as usurping authority over a man, because my very own father was trained by this woman to also teach and lead others to Christ. If God does think women teaching men are going against His way, it would seem to me, that inspite of that, God is using them as means to further His Kingdom.
Are you sure you want to go down a path that locks God into your understanding and application of those scriptures ? Some in Anabaptism are not going to turn a blind eye to what God is doing in and through women today and are easing up on their 'taking authority over men' views. God never changes but many times through scripture He alters His ways for His purposes.