The Anabaptist perception towards a woman's "voice"?

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How much of a "voice" should women have in a church setting?

1- Nothing at all. Her husband speaks for her.
1
6%
2
0
No votes
3
1
6%
4
1
6%
5- In certain situations, perhaps?
3
17%
6
1
6%
7
1
6%
8
1
6%
9
3
17%
10- She is on equals with men.
6
33%
 
Total votes: 18

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The Anabaptist perception towards a woman's "voice"?

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In another thread I brought up "brother's meetings" or "men's meetings" where serious church issues were discussed without the wives present. I remember there was an issue in our former school where the fathers had a meeting to discuss it, yet the mothers knew more about the situation (since they often drove the school vans and heard the chatter among the students).

I've been in settings where the women had no opportunity to speak, or it was very limited. And I've been in the opposite, where they had an equal voice.

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So your poll is entirely one-sided.

You have a range of options from no voice to equal voice with men.

But there are no options for women to have a greater voice then men.

The actual possible range of women's voices would be from 0% to 100% rather than 0% to 50/50.
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Ken wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 1:29 pm So your poll is entirely one-sided.

You have a range of options from no voice to equal voice with men.

But there are no options for women to have a greater voice then men.

The actual possible range of women's voices would be from 0% to 100% rather than 0% to 50/50.
You are an expert troll.
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nett wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 1:46 pm
Ken wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 1:29 pm So your poll is entirely one-sided.

You have a range of options from no voice to equal voice with men.

But there are no options for women to have a greater voice then men.

The actual possible range of women's voices would be from 0% to 100% rather than 0% to 50/50.
You are an expert troll.
Is it inconceivable that a church might give more weight to women's voices then men's? Especially on certain topics?
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I voted for number 10, but that assumes a setting in which men and women grow up with equal opportunities for education and learning and personal development. It also assumes a setting in which women are not speaking/teaching in the weekly church assembly.
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Ken wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 2:06 pm
nett wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 1:46 pm
Ken wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 1:29 pm So your poll is entirely one-sided.

You have a range of options from no voice to equal voice with men.

But there are no options for women to have a greater voice then men.

The actual possible range of women's voices would be from 0% to 100% rather than 0% to 50/50.
You are an expert troll.
Is it inconceivable that a church might give more weight to women's voices then men's? Especially on certain topics?
Generally, I expect a Christian church to be patterned after how church has existed from 33 A.D. through the present time. And that has never included giving more weight to women’s voices than men’s (whatever you mean by that statement).
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Josh wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 3:40 pm
Ken wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 2:06 pm
nett wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 1:46 pm

You are an expert troll.
Is it inconceivable that a church might give more weight to women's voices then men's? Especially on certain topics?
Generally, I expect a Christian church to be patterned after how church has existed from 33 A.D. through the present time. And that has never included giving more weight to women’s voices than men’s (whatever you mean by that statement).
That is a pretty strong statement. I expect throughout history there have been many thousands of examples of churches that were primarily attended by women and primarily run by women. In my own community there are Christian churches for which that is the case, in which women are the majority of the leadership and the majority of the congregants.

I don't expect that is very common in the conservative Anabaptist community. But it probably more common in the more liberal branches of Anabaptism. I expect you can find examples of MCUSA and liberal Brethren churches in which women represent the largest voice on most or every issue.
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Ernie wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 3:00 pm I voted for number 10, but that assumes a setting in which men and women grow up with equal opportunities for education and learning and personal development. It also assumes a setting in which women are not speaking/teaching in the weekly church assembly.
What is a weekly church assembly exactly and why?
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Ken wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 5:35 pm I don't expect that is very common in the conservative Anabaptist community. But it probably is in the more liberal branches of Anabaptism. I expect you can find examples of MCUSA and liberal Brethren churches in which women represent the largest voice on most or every issue.
That is why both of those denominations are doomed, and why the old order groups are growing.
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nett wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 5:46 pm
Ken wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 5:35 pm I don't expect that is very common in the conservative Anabaptist community. But it probably is in the more liberal branches of Anabaptism. I expect you can find examples of MCUSA and liberal Brethren churches in which women represent the largest voice on most or every issue.
That is why both of those denominations are doomed, and why the old order groups are growing.
Because they listen to women?
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