St. Valentine's Day

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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby JimFoxvog » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:31 am

We usually ignore it, but sometimes take the occasion to consider early martyrs.Image
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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby Valerie » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:37 am

Thank you Jim- it's just like St. Patrick's Day- The Church has always made it a practice to honor martyrs of the faith- to use as our example, to honor them- but then in America we turn it into something completely different than it's original intention. Both St. Valentine, and St. Patrick would be grieved in heart at American Christianity that take their name and do what 'we' want with it. It is not supposed to be a 'secular' day.
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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby Josh » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:57 am

Valerie wrote:Thank you Jim- it's just like St. Patrick's Day- The Church has always made it a practice to honor martyrs of the faith- to use as our example, to honor them- but then in America we turn it into something completely different than it's original intention. Both St. Valentine, and St. Patrick would be grieved in heart at American Christianity that take their name and do what 'we' want with it. It is not supposed to be a 'secular' day.


It's an improvement over praying to them.
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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby Josh » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:58 am

PositiveSeeker wrote:I am not here to judge. I am just projecting my curiosity. In my eyes, Valentine's Day has become an expectation driven by retail. Everyone has to run out and spend money. In addition, it takes something good and puts the focus on only one day. Do we let the standards of the world dictate us in other areas? What makes Valentine's Day different?


We have to decide how much to engage the culture in ways that aren't harmful. Every day of the year has an expectation to be driven by retail, so holidays are no different.

I find that Christmas, "Val" (as we called it when I worked at a greeting card company), and St Patrick's Day are great days to be able to connect with non-believers and I often get an opportunity to share a story and my faith.
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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby JimFoxvog » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:10 am

Josh wrote:
Valerie wrote:Thank you Jim- it's just like St. Patrick's Day- The Church has always made it a practice to honor martyrs of the faith- to use as our example, to honor them- but then in America we turn it into something completely different than it's original intention. Both St. Valentine, and St. Patrick would be grieved in heart at American Christianity that take their name and do what 'we' want with it. It is not supposed to be a 'secular' day.


It's an improvement over praying to them.

We learn from the example of holy people in the past.

The "praying to them" that is approved by Catholics is asking them to pray for you, just as you might ask someone you know who seems close to God to pray for you. However, I suspect those who sleep in Christ are asleep, not aware of any of our attempts to speak to them. But God hears these prayer requests anyway.
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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby MaxPC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:31 am

PositiveSeeker wrote:I realize there is likely to be some variation among various groups. As noted, Valentine's Day is a secular holiday (a Catholic might disagree). Therefore, the degree in which Mennonites are willing to participate in the world's holidays is how this subject relates to Anabaptist practice.

For the sake of clarity: In modern studies of Catholic World, "St. Valentine" is a myth and doesn't exist. It was a popular feast held over from pagan times that a populace tried to make Christian: ultimately they didn't succeed. Due diligence on the part of Catholic scholars debunked the existence of a saint named Valentine and the feast has been removed from the current Catholic calendar. The day is not recognized by Catholics at all either as a Christian Feast or Ferial. We will however sometimes celebrate it as a secular holiday.

That said, I'm with Appleman and Mike. We exchanged homemade cards; had a nice chocolate dessert and we each shared what we loved best about each other.
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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby Valerie » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:03 am

Josh wrote:
PositiveSeeker wrote:I am not here to judge. I am just projecting my curiosity. In my eyes, Valentine's Day has become an expectation driven by retail. Everyone has to run out and spend money. In addition, it takes something good and puts the focus on only one day. Do we let the standards of the world dictate us in other areas? What makes Valentine's Day different?


We have to decide how much to engage the culture in ways that aren't harmful. Every day of the year has an expectation to be driven by retail, so holidays are no different.

I find that Christmas, "Val" (as we called it when I worked at a greeting card company), and St Patrick's Day are great days to be able to connect with non-believers and I often get an opportunity to share a story and my faith.


Same here- a couple of St. Patrick's Day, we passed out David Bercot's "Let Me Die in Ireland" to people at our towns Irish Restaurant (pub in the evening) and it had the message of the Gospel and story of St. Patrick- we do need to pray for Divine appointments and opportunities to share the "TRUE" Gospel
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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby Valerie » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:05 am

MaxPC wrote:
PositiveSeeker wrote:I realize there is likely to be some variation among various groups. As noted, Valentine's Day is a secular holiday (a Catholic might disagree). Therefore, the degree in which Mennonites are willing to participate in the world's holidays is how this subject relates to Anabaptist practice.

For the sake of clarity: In modern studies of Catholic World, "St. Valentine" is a myth and doesn't exist. It was a popular feast held over from pagan times that a populace tried to make Christian: ultimately they didn't succeed. Due diligence on the part of Catholic scholars debunked the existence of a saint named Valentine and the feast has been removed from the current Catholic calendar. The day is not recognized by Catholics at all either as a Christian Feast or Ferial. We will however sometimes celebrate it as a secular holiday.

That said, I'm with Appleman and Mike. We exchanged homemade cards; had a nice chocolate dessert and we each shared what we loved best about each other.


Wow- I didn't really know the history about that- so that is totally made up? Glad it was straightened out.
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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby ohio jones » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:57 pm

MaxPC wrote:For the sake of clarity: In modern studies of Catholic World, "St. Valentine" is a myth and doesn't exist. It was a popular feast held over from pagan times that a populace tried to make Christian: ultimately they didn't succeed. Due diligence on the part of Catholic scholars debunked the existence of a saint named Valentine and the feast has been removed from the current Catholic calendar. The day is not recognized by Catholics at all either as a Christian Feast or Ferial. We will however sometimes celebrate it as a secular holiday.

In that case you might consider correcting the Wikipedia entry on Saint Valentine. :idea:
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Re: St. Valentine's Day

Postby MaxPC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:50 pm

OJ: Wiki is an open source where just about anyone can post anything they want. It's also the worst source for learning about a denomination because of biases or attitudes.

Those who want to know factual and authoritative Catholic Church info go to the legitimate Vatican website. That's where I always send people with questions. :D

It would be nice to have authoritative websites for all denoms that carry the same weight of credibility. If I'm not mistaken GAMEO has that kind of credibility?
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