Re: Christians and Trans
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:53 pm
When I first read the title of this thread, I thought it said "Christians and trains">
Could almost be true. Train wreck
Could almost be true. Train wreck
My views are in line with mainstream views. If you want to hold alternative views, that’s fine, but it doesn’t make it any better to ask people in public if they’re autistic or ADD/ADHD just because you hold a fringe belief that autistic or ADD/ADHD people are “very intelligent” as a generalisation. I would express a concern that such a generalisation is harmful.
We have multiple posters here who believe they can be a Christian yet affirm homosexuality behaviour and still be Christian. That’s false doctrine in my belief system, and it isn’t me twisting their words. It’s what they believe and say in their own words. One of them is an ordained pastor in a Mennonite denomination, albeit inactive, who has publicly pushed hard to move they denomination in that direction.Josh, apparently in your opinion it is perfectly fine for you to twist what others say, pull things out of context to make them look like they believe false doctrine and be downright rude.
Let’s separate the two.When you do this, it isn't okay for others to be hurt. I could feel hurt over things you posted in response to me today and yesterday. You have been rude in the past, to me and to others. I could not find any apologies from you, but I may have missed something. Yet, when I or others apologize sincerely, you offer an etiquette lesson instead of acknowledgment?????
Thank you for not charging.
Can we please go back to each responding for ourselves?Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:32 pm This thread is for discussing how we, as Christians who believe in creation as male and female, should relate to trans issues in the surrounding culture. Please do not debate whether the Bible teaches that - start a new thread if you want to do that. Please do not attack people, neither MN participants nor others. This thread is for us to explore how we respond.
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:53 pmCan we please go back to each responding for ourselves?Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 1:32 pm This thread is for discussing how we, as Christians who believe in creation as male and female, should relate to trans issues in the surrounding culture. Please do not debate whether the Bible teaches that - start a new thread if you want to do that. Please do not attack people, neither MN participants nor others. This thread is for us to explore how we respond.
The definition of sin has not changed in the past two decades, or for that matter, forever.Josh wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:11 pmMy views are in line with mainstream views. If you want to hold alternative views, that’s fine, but it doesn’t make it any better to ask people in public if they’re autistic or ADD/ADHD just because you hold a fringe belief that autistic or ADD/ADHD people are “very intelligent” as a generalisation. I would express a concern that such a generalisation is harmful.
We have multiple posters here who believe they can be a Christian yet affirm homosexuality behaviour and still be Christian. That’s false doctrine in my belief system, and it isn’t me twisting their words. It’s what they believe and say in their own words. One of them is an ordained pastor in a Mennonite denomination, albeit inactive, who has publicly pushed hard to move they denomination in that direction.Josh, apparently in your opinion it is perfectly fine for you to twist what others say, pull things out of context to make them look like they believe false doctrine and be downright rude.
Let’s separate the two.When you do this, it isn't okay for others to be hurt. I could feel hurt over things you posted in response to me today and yesterday. You have been rude in the past, to me and to others. I could not find any apologies from you, but I may have missed something. Yet, when I or others apologize sincerely, you offer an etiquette lesson instead of acknowledgment?????
Thank you for not charging.
I’m sorry for my aggressive tone with you in this particular thread. I read what you said and misinterpreted it as yet another call to affirm open sin and paint people who try to call out sin as somehow being bad Christians. Such statements happen here frequently from posters who believe certain sins aren’t sins.
However, I make zero apologies for calling out sin as sin and if someone who holds to false doctrine is hurt by that, then I make no apologies for them being hurt. They need to repent and obey the gospel, end of discussion.
You do know what a cornfield meet is?steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:53 pm When I first read the title of this thread, I thought it said "Christians and trains">
Could almost be true. Train wreck
I'd like to get back to that. Requests:
I suppose we need to first start by finding out what we do actually agree on. My perspective is that the Bible teaches that crossdressing is an abomination, which means we need to treat it like a sin. The fact society in some circles accepts it doesn't change how sinful it is.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 5:53 am On Page 3, we were seeing posts like this.
I'd like to get back to that. Requests:
1. Please don't tell other people what is wrong with them. Let's talk about what we each think we should do to get it right.
2. In this thread, we assume that we are created male and female, and that your birth gender is your gender. That can be debated in other threads, not here.
3. Please don't tell people what they really think. Tell us what you really think.
I think this works best when we each focus on sharing our own understanding of the Bible and relationships we are working things out in. To the extent we can - a lot of that may not be best to spill out on a public forum.
LOL, And for once I am not the one who stirred the pot.steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:53 pm When I first read the title of this thread, I thought it said "Christians and trains">
Could almost be true. Train wreck