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Re: The Pilgrim Church (aka: Kingdom Christians) Long List

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Wade, agreeing with Ernie: well done!

Ernie, would the statement of faith from the Rocky Cape Christian Community intersect well with this list? They seem to draw on teachings from the Hutterites, David Bercot and Menno Simons judging from their email group and their writings.
What We Believe and How We Live

We have a statement of beliefs, which can be found here, but please remember that these are our ideals, we are humans too and from day to day we often fall short of these.

A Statement of the Brothers and Sisters of Jesus’ Church at Rocky Cape in Tasmania 2006

We believe in God the Father, maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ his only
Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, suffered
under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead and buried, descended into hell. On the third
day he rose again from the dead, ascending into heaven where he sits on the right hand
of God the Father, and from whence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the community of the saints, the
forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

God and Man
We believe God made us, with the earth, the heavens, and all living things, perfect. But
we lost our perfection through disobeying him. Now, unless we believe in his Son,
Jesus, whom he sent to teach us and redeem us through his death on the cross—unless
we follow him, and join ourselves to his body of believers on earth—we are useless to
God, and he will destroy us in hell.1

The Kingdom of God
Through repentance and forsaking our sins, through faith, through the Spirit of God
falling on us and giving us new life with Jesus who rose from the dead, we may enter
the narrow door into his Kingdom.2

We may become heirs with him of eternal life, and receive the promise of reigning with him—after the restoration of all things—in new heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwells.3

We recognise God’s kingdom in all created things, in all that lives or grows or moves
throughout the universe. The borders of God’s Kingdom are the extent of his rule. Here
on earth we see his kingdom (the Heavenly Kingdom) established in its first stages of
peace, justice, and mercy as well.4

Wherever men and women that believe in Jesus and follow him, old people, young people, and little children live in peace and equality one

1 Revelation 20:11-15
2 Matthew 7:13-14
3 2 Timothy 2:12, 2 Peter 3:13, Revelation 5:10
4 Luke 17:20-21

with another—wherever they give themselves for others as Jesus gave himself for
them—his Kingdom comes. But we believe it will come in unspeakably greater power
and glory when Jesus himself will come again.5

We give ourselves and all we have to the proclamation of the good news of his Kingdom, and expect to live, work, and worship with Jesus in its heavenly love and light forever.6

We love our captain, our hero, Jesus for overcoming Satan and giving us eternal life.
We want to fight with him, following him in every move, letting him fill us with his
Spirit so we may overcome.7

We stand with all that take a stand and fight for Jesus and
his Kingdom on earth (our battle not being one of flesh and blood, but of the Spirit).8

Baptism
We declare our surrender to Jesus and his Kingdom through verbal testimony,9
through water baptism,10 and through persevering in our walk with him, day after day, until this life is over.11

How baptism is administered (with what mode), or by whom, is not important to us. We
accept baptism on confession of faith as a valid baptism, providing the convert was truly
repentant, believed in Jesus, and made his vows at baptism with a sincere heart.
Baptism, we believe, involves immediate responsibility and membership in the local
church doing the baptising.12 That responsibility and membership remain as long as the
member remains in that locality. If, for any legitimate reason, he must relocate, we must
release him and allow him to become part of another local church. All baptised
members of the Lord’s body choose to form part and function in visible church
communities.13

We believe water baptism should occur promptly after it is requested—leaving only
enough time for the church to approve the candidates and to make sure they understand what being a Christian and a church member involves.14

We baptise no one that does not stand in basic agreement with our congregation—ready to partake in our communion (in bread and wine) and willing to give himself to the brothers and sisters in our life together.

Communion
If we have fellowship with Jesus we have fellowship one with another. We celebrate
that in our weekly breaking of bread and drinking wine together in remembrance of

5 Acts 3:21
6 2 Corinthians 4:16-18, 1 Thessalonians 4:17, 2 Peter 3:13
7 Romans 8:31-39
8 2 Corinthians 10:3-5, Ephesians 6:12
9 Romans 10:10
10 Mark 16:16
11 Luke 9:23, Matthew 10:22
12 1 Corinthians 12:12-13
13 1 Corinthians 12:14-16
14 Acts 2:38-39

him. This leads us into community of goods—sharing our natural things just like we
share what we believe and hope for.

We cannot celebrate communion unless we stand in spiritual and material unity one
with another—unless all those partaking have proven with their words and lives that
they belong to Christ and to everyone else that takes part in it.15 Communion in bread
and wine is a celebration of community in Christ—the sign of his Kingdom.16 If we
partake in it unworthily, in disunity, or with the unconverted, we eat and drink damnation to our souls.17

The Word
We recognise Jesus Christ as the Word of God—the eternal “Logos,” the Word made
flesh, the Living Word sharper than any double-edged sword.18 He is the Word that
appeared to John in human form, riding on a white horse, his garment dipped in blood.19

This Word (the Spirit of Jesus) is “the true light that gives light to every man,”20 the
grace of God that speaks far beyond the written or spoken Gospel’s reach.21 It is the
inner Word “shining in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of
God”22—the morning star rising in our hearts without which all scripture (including the
Bible) is merely a “dead letter that kills.”23

We recognise the collection of scriptures in common use among Western Christians to
be an accurate and God-inspired account of Jesus’ life and teaching, of the apostles’
doctrine, of the history of Israel and creation.24 In these scriptures we find the basis for
what we know about God, and we use them as a guide in everything we do or teach. But
the scriptures are to us what the manger was to the child Jesus born in Bethlehem—
merely the frame in which the true light and life (the Living Word) rests. For this reason
we refuse to get side-tracked by arguments about the exact wording of translations or
which version of the scriptures to use. Rather, we focus on Jesus and on what he taught,
and thank him for the work done by competent translators through the ages to bring his
message to us in precise readable modern form.

We aim to present the Gospel to all that hear us, especially to our children, in today’s
language they best understand.

Teaching
We trust Jesus as our perfect example and honour him as our King. Everything Jesus
and his apostles taught or did, we also want to teach and do. Everything they rejected,
we reject.25

15 1 Corinthians 10:17, 21
16 1 Corinthians 10:16
17 1 Corinthians 11:29-30
18 John 1:1-2, 14; Hebrews 4:12
19 Revelation 19:13
20 John 1:9
21 Titus 2:11
22 2 Corinthians 4:6
23 2 Peter 1:19; 2 Corinthians 3:6
24 2 Timothy 3:16
25 2 Thessalonians 2:15

The teaching of Jesus and his apostles (contained in the New Testament) is our final
word of action. Wherever it can be pointed out to us that we have disregarded it, or
twisted the words of the New Testament to suit our way of life, we repent. We commit
ourselves to changing whatever is necessary, whatever it may cost, to obey and follow
Christ our king.26

Salvation
We want to continue, all our lives, in a spirit of repentance—praising God for saving us
from sin and bringing us into the Kingdom of his Son,27 while recognising our humanity
(with its weakness and shortcoming) and our responsibility for it.28 We believe it is
possible to live above sin, to stand perfect before God through the work of Christ, but
we also believe we can fall, and that we must watch and pray continually to remain safe
in him.29

We believe Jesus is the light of the world, enlightening all men that come into the
world.30 We believe his Spirit speaks to all men in all places, calling them to him (even
though they may not know or recognise him).31 But only those that answer his call will
be saved. Only the ones that seek will find him.32

Apostles and evangelists, sent out by the church, need to help seekers find their way.
But we cannot make people seek God. That is the Spirit’s work.33

We believe all children, since Adam and Eve disobeyed God and fell into sin, are born
with a sinful nature.34 We believe that children born to unbelieving parents may carry an even greater burden of spiritual uncleanness.35 But we believe God begins to hold them responsible for this, only after they personally commit sin (after they reach years of understanding and deliberately go against God and their conscience). God will not hold the innocent guilty, or judge children for their parents’ sin.36

The Holy Spirit
We recognise the Spirit of Jesus (the Holy Spirit) as God. We expect all our members
to bear the fruit of the Spirit, and to seek his gifts.37 We recognise the gifts of healing, of prophecy, of speaking in tongues, and others mentioned in the New Testament as
evidence of God’s work among us. But we do not recognise anyone or anything as
“spiritual” that stands in contradiction to New Testament order.

26 1 Peter 2:21
27 Colossians 1:13
28 1 John 2:1-2
29 1 Corinthians 10:11-13
30 John 1:9, Titus 2:11
31 Romans 1:18-20, and 2:14-15
32 Romans 2:9-11
33 John 6:44
34 Romans 3:9-18
35 1 Corinthians 7:14
36 Ezekiel 18:20
37 1 Corinthians 12:27-31

We expect all believers to bear the same fruit of the Spirit, but we expect the Spirit will
give them different gifts—according to their needs, and the needs of the local church to
which they belong.38

Leadership
We believe the Spirit calls men into leadership and various positions of service in the
church.39 This call, we believe, will be recognised by the Spirit-led body of believers,
and handled accordingly.40 If a person among us has a particular gift we need to take
note of it and help him use it. In this way the Lord may build his church.41

We believe the Spirit calls certain men to lead the church. We respect them and honour
their work.42 Every leader is directly accountable to Jesus.43 Never-the-less we believe
every leader is also accountable to the church of Jesus (the local church), and to other
leaders, just like all the rest of the members are accountable one to another. For this
reason we do not have one man making decisions on his own that affect the whole
church. Neither do we have one man doing all the teaching or administration. We
believe in a plurality of elders.44

Work
As a community we seek to divide our work evenly among all members. Not everyone
is apt for the same jobs, but everyone needs to contribute in his or her own way.45

Every able person needs to work with his own hands to provide for himself and for his own. Families take responsibility for their children, and for the elderly, physically
handicapped, or otherwise disabled among them.46

In our work and responsibilities given to us, we submit ourselves completely to the
decision of the brotherhood.

Celibacy and Marriage
We recognise the ministry of single brothers and sisters among us and honour them.47 If they choose to remain single to serve the Lord (or if they lead a celibate life for any
other reason, such as in the case of having been widowed, separated, or divorced) we
commit ourselves to supporting and caring for them as long as they live. We thank God
for them.

Nevertheless we believe that God wants most people to marry and have families.48 We
openly encourage the married state and commit ourselves to doing what we can to lead

38 1 Corinthians 12:7-11
39 Ephesians 4:11-13
40 Acts 13:2-3
41 Matthew 16:18
42 Hebrews 13:7
43 Hebrews 13:17
44 Ephesians 4:11-13, Titus 1:5
45 2 Thessalonians 3:10
46 1 Timothy 5:8
47 1 Corinthians 7:32-35
48 1 Corinthians 7:2-5

our young people into it.49 We encourage them to find suitable partners with the advice of their parents and the church leadership—while assuming full responsibility for the choice they make and promising to stick with it as long as they both shall live.50

We do not permit our members to initiate divorce, or to get remarried as long as a
divorced partner remains alive.51 “What God has joined together, let man not separate”
(Matthew 19:6).
This same command of Jesus keeps us from breaking apart what God has joined and
blessed to put back together what he did not (marital entanglements and adulterous
unions before conversion).

If people in unlawful unions wish to join us, we ask them to live a celibate life until the
situation changes. If they have children to raise in the meantime, we will help them do
it. Depending on the situation, couples in unlawful unions may be accommodated as
single guests on visiting our community.

Courtship
We expect our young men and women to conduct their courtship and make plans for
marriage in a completely open and honest way—not in secrecy, spending long periods
together alone, or in the dark, but among the rest of the brothers and sisters in the light
of day.52

That couples planning to get married will need some time to themselves, we understand, but they are to avoid physical contact before marriage, and we encourage them to keep their courtship brief. Once they are fully convinced the Lord wants them to marry, and if they have prepared themselves spiritually to take their place as husband and wife in the home, they should proceed with their parents’ and the church’s support.

We do not marry young men and women without their parents’ consent, unless their
parents oppose the union on invalid or unscriptural grounds. Then we go by the voice of
this local church. We believe marriage is of God, and to hinder it for anything less than
a clearly Scriptural reason, is to oppose the work God wants to do among us.53

Children
Parents take first responsibility in training their children in the nurture and admonition
of the Lord.54 Yet all parents in our community recognise that in ourselves we are
incomplete. Our children must also become integrated into the lives of others, the work,
and social order of something higher and greater than the natural family. For this reason
we entrust our children—where necessary—to believing caretakers, teachers, and work
supervisors outside our family circles.55

49 Proverbs 18:22
50 Matthew 19:4-6
51 1 Corinthians 7:10-11
52 Romans 13:12-14
53 Hebrews 13:4
54 Ephesians 6:4
55 Ephesians 2:21-22

We believe it our responsibility (not that of the state) to educate our children, choose
our school curriculum, and to appoint members of our own congregation as teachers and role models for our children where parents are not able to teach them on their own. We expect all families in our community to support and co-operate in this work of Christian education.

In training our children at home, in school, and throughout the community we use love
and appropriate discipline as needed. “He that spares the rod hates his son.”56 Parents
stand in first place to administer this discipline, but if necessary our children’s’ teachers
and work supervisors also stand responsible to correct them.

We believe it important for families to spend time together throughout the day, eating
together, working together where possible (fathers with sons and mothers with
daughters), and spending their evenings together at home. Our children are a gift from
God and we welcome every one the Lord gives us.57

Meetings
We break bread on the eve of the Lord’s Day and hold a worship meeting the following
morning. We sing together, have several brothers share publicly and leave time in every
meeting for testimonies and prayer.58

Once a week we hold Bible Study meetings. On the other evenings of the week we
expect the congregation to gather for Scripture reading and common prayer. In these
meetings we expect the active participation of all that attend, in singing, in leading in
prayer, and in sharing what the Lord has laid upon their hearts. Several times a month,
the brothers and sisters meet to discuss and handle what affects the community as a
whole.
Only our men give instruction in our worship meetings.
59 We do not mind if our sisters
ask questions, share testimonies, pray, or make confessions when we come together
informally, but we do not have them teach or exercise authority over the men.60

The Law and the Sabbath
Jesus, high priest of an eternal covenant, knew the eternal and perfect law of God—the
law that God had in mind from the beginning.61 This is to what he points all men62 and
what he writes onto the heart of everyone that seeks and finds him today.63

Moses’ covenant and Moses’ law was only a temporary imperfect application of God’s
law.64 Suited to the hard hearts of unconverted men and women it was designed only for

56 Proverbs 13:24
57 Psalm 127:3
58 1 Corinthians 14:29-33
59 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
60 1 Corinthians 2:11-12
61 Matthew 19:8
62 Matthew 5:17-48
63 Romans 2:15, 2 Corinthians 3:3
64 Hebrews 8:6

the earthly natural kingdom of Israel.65 When Jesus brought that kingdom to an end,66
Moses’ law and covenant ended with it.67

Then, in God’s perfect kingdom re-established on earth by Jesus—the “rolling rock” of Daniel’s prophecy,68 the Kingdom of Heaven, a kingdom not of this world, the kingdom within—Jesus replaced Moses covenant and Moses’ law with God’s infinitely higher and better law.69 This law of the Spirit of life, the law of Christ, the law of faith, the perfect law of liberty, the royal law, is what we live by today and what will stand through eternity.70 Moses’s law was powerless to save,71 but God’s perfect law, written in our hearts, sets us free from the law of sin and death.72

Because Moses’ law died with Moses’ covenant we do not enforce it—or allow it to be
enforced or promoted among us—today. Anyone that lives by Moses’ law (taking part
in debt-slavery, divorce and remarriage, self-defence and warfare, the death sentence,
polygamy, etc.) can in no wise be a follower of Christ or a member of his church
community. That the unconverted rulers of this ungodly world must still enforce such
laws we take for granted73 but Jesus’ followers, citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven,
have no part in the matter.

On the basis of what was decided by the apostles in Jerusalem74 and what Paul wrote75
we no longer observe the rite of circumcision, or the festivals that were a shadow of
things to come.76 We eat or drink whatever people set before us.77 Even though we like to rest one day out of seven like God rested after creating the earth, and even though it makes sense for us to do it together, we no longer make rules about keeping the Sabbath, keeping Sunday, or any other day of the year.78

Honesty
We insist on absolute honesty in business dealings and in what we say or do. This
includes honesty in paying taxes, dues at international borders, and in obtaining
government permission for what we construct and operate in our community.79

We refuse to swear oaths, either in spoken or written form—this including the pledge of
allegiance.80

We expect our members to be law abiding citizens in every area where the laws of the
land do not conflict with the laws of God.81

65 Colossians 2:20-23
66 Matthew 21:43, 2 Corinthians 3:15-18
67 Hebrews 8:13, Colossians 2:14
68 Daniel 2:44-45
69 Matthew 5:1-7:29, Hebrews 8:6
70 Romans 3:27, 8:2, Galatians 6:2, James 1:25, 2:8, 12
71 Romans 8:3
72 Romans 8:2
73 Romans 13:3-5
74 Acts 15
75 Galatians 2:15-16, 3:10-13, 3:24-25, 5:1-6
76 Colossians 2:16-17
77 1 Corinthians 10:25-27
78 Romans 14:5
79 Romans 13:6-7
80 Matthew 5:33-37

We honour and pray for our government and co-operate with it wherever our conscience allows.82

Visiting and Joining our Community
We welcome all seekers to visit our community—at least once. Subsequent visits of an
extended or indefinite duration should be petitioned for and arranged. We do not
welcome teachers of doctrines opposed to what we teach, or visitors that contradict and undermine what we believe. Neither do we feel obligated to receive all that would come to us for strictly intellectual or academic pursuits.

Visitors deciding to stay for longer than one week need to clear the matter with the
entire community. If everyone feels comfortable, the visit may continue. Visitors may
attend all meetings but do not take part in the breaking of bread until after they have
lived among us for a month—and then only with the approval of all other communicant
members.

After six months, and up to a year, if visitors wish to stay and live on the communal
premises at Rocky Cape, we expect them to relinquish their possessions (except
household and personal items) to the fellowship of believers. If they do not feel able to
do this, they should decide to live elsewhere before the year is over. Income generated
or received while living at the community belongs to the community as a whole.
We expect long-term visitors, like all members of the community, to be completely
open and honest about their plans, their finances, and their feelings about life at this
place. Honest questions deserve honest answers from everyone involved.

Leaving the Community and Discipline
If a brother or sister, or an entire family, wishes to leave our community we expect them to bring the matter before the fellowship of believers. If we all recognise their reason for leaving as from Lord, we cannot oppose it, and set them free to do so.
We insist on the totally voluntary nature of the Church of Jesus Christ,83 and we do not
automatically discipline or separate ourselves from those that decide not to join us or to
live elsewhere.

Nevertheless, we take our commitment one to another seriously. After surrendering
ourselves to the Lord Jesus with all we have and becoming part of the fellowship of
believers at this place, we do not see it as of the Lord to leave one another for trivial
reasons, simple matters of preference, or because we lack the energy and dedication to
work through whatever issues may arise. If members leave our community to become
part of a situation we cannot fully approve of or recommend, we stop short of blessing
their departure. Their conduct will determine how much contact we maintain with them, and how we feel about having them return to visit us.

81 Romans 13:1-5
82 1 Timothy 2:1-2
83 Romans 14:10-12

If a member leaves in rebellion or sin, breaking his covenant to Jesus and this local
church, we consider him “as a heathen man or publican” and refrain from socialising
with him until he repents.84

Church discipline, we believe, is only for the unrepentant. Even while we hold a person
in discipline (not eating or socialising freely with him) we have an obligation to
admonish him in the Spirit of Jesus.85 If we keep on loving him and treating him kindly
but firmly, he may come back to Jesus and his church. That is the only reason for
discipline, and as soon as its purpose has been accomplished we remove it completely.

Unity
Every local church, we believe, stands directly responsible to Jesus.86 We do not see a
Scriptural precedent for any higher level of church authority than that of the local
church. We believe, however, that local churches in which the Spirit of Jesus moves,
will not think of themselves as “independent” or as an “only church.” Every city in
Jesus’ Kingdom, like every household in those cities, and every individual in those
households, needs each other.

We celebrate our unity with other local churches by fellowshipping together, by seeking
counsel one from another, and by supporting them in their work and outreach wherever
possible.

The higher the level of our doctrinal and practical unity, the more intimate and
meaningful our fellowship one with another becomes.

Associations
Even though we respect those that profess Christ while living differently than we do—
even though we accept and honour what they teach and do—we refuse to enter into
close fellowship with those that justify Christians going to war, that refuse to separate
themselves from the world in economics, dress, and lifestyle, and that oppose or
disparage the way of the Kingdom of Heaven.87

We cannot associate with those that live in open disobedience to the Scriptures.88

On the other hand, we cannot help but associate with all that follow Jesus and seek him
with an honest heart—whether they have much in common with us ethnically,
culturally, and socially, or whether they don’t.89 It is Jesus that divides us from all that
refuse to follow him (our relatives, friends, and former associates included) and unites
us with all that do.90

The Sick

84 Matthew 18:15-18, 1 Corinthians 5:4-11
85 2 Thessalonians 3:15
86 Ephesians 5:22-24
87 Romans 16:17-19
88 1 Corinthians 15:33, 2 Corinthians 6:14-18
89 Ephesians 4:4-6
90 Matthew 10:34
We believe God holds our bodies and souls in his hands, and that if we turn sick he
alone can heal us. If any among us are sick, we encourage them to call for the elders of
the church, so they may anoint them with oil and pray for them to be healed.91

Even though we credit God alone for our healing we use medical services where
necessary. We recognise that God works through medical and surgical means, many
times, to heal the sick.

We believe sickness and death came as a result of Adam’s disobedience and fall, but to
get sick or die does not mean we are personally guilty of sin, today. Neither does it
mean our faith is too weak to get healed. It is not God’s will that believers should
always get healed, or that they should always be kept from diseases, accidents, and
death. God may call on us to glorify him through our sickness or permanent disability.
If that is what he asks of us, we will accept it patiently and with grace.

We do not recognise the “gift of healing” (miraculous powers to cure) of those that
refuse to walk in the way of Jesus and his Kingdom community. Rather, if such people
perform miracles, we suspect their power comes from the evil one.92

We reject all forms of witchcraft, non-scientific cures, and any type of alternative
medicine that defies natural law.

Peace
Following Christ we seek to return good for evil, to love our enemies, and use no
resistance against those that mistreat us or use us despitefully.93

This means we do not go to law with others to settle our disputes. We would rather let
others take advantage of us than defend ourselves.94

We cannot serve in the armed forces, or identify ourselves with the god of this world by
putting on military uniforms, taking military training, or swearing the oath necessary to
enlist in the army. In the case of war and military conscription we would be happy to serve our country in any way other than joining the armed forces.

Equality

We believe that in the local church we should bear one another’s burdens and share all
things—our joys as well as our sorrows.95 We believe what one has we all have, what
one suffers we all suffer.96 This we express in our life together, and in our community of
goods.97

91 James 5:14-16
92 Matthew 7:21-23
93 Matthew 5:38-48
94 1 Corinthians 6:1-7
95 Galatians 6:2
96 1 Corinthians 12:21-27
97 2 Corinthians 8:13-15, Acts 2:42-47, Acts 4:32-35

More than this we cannot, as citizens of the Kingdom of Heaven—sons and daughters
of the King—consider living in any other way. We believe God’s Kingdom, like all human society in the beginning, has always been overtly communal. We recognize money, possessions, all capitalist and ungodly socialist or communist systems, as a result of man’s fall, his wickedness, and greed. We have to do with the world’s economics only insofar as is absolutely necessary for the time being.

We express our equality among ourselves in our willingness to wash one another’s feet,
like Jesus washed his disciples feet. This may take the form of literally, spontaneously,
washing one another’s feet, but even much more, we want to express with our lives the
attitude of Jesus behind it.98 That, if we follow Jesus, we may exemplify every day, all
day long.

Whether it be with the kiss of peace, the right hand of fellowship, or with a friendly
embrace, we expect our members to honour one another and greet one another regularly with appropriate gestures of love and fellowship.99

Separation
In our houses, our entertainment, our dress, our music, our speech—in every area of
life—we want to identify with Jesus and his Kingdom to which we belong. We have rejected the god of this world, and refuse to identify with him.100 What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight.101 Therefore we want to live modestly in simple houses, all of whose features serve a practical purpose. We want to use simple furniture, eat healthy, simple meals (as much as possible what we can raise ourselves), and dress ourselves modestly.

We reject the fashions of the world in hair styles, impractical clothing, and whatever
features of dress (jewellery, ornamentation) that serve for nothing but to draw attention to ourselves.102

We expect our women and girls to wear long hair and to keep it covered (for the sake of
modesty, as a sign of headship order, and because of the angels) in public.103

For the sake of modesty we do not have our sisters wearing trousers. Rather we expect
them, and the brothers of our community to dress in a simple inexpensive way.
We expect everyone in our community to use whatever electronic equipment we may
own (computers, radios, sound systems, and audio-visual equipment) in a responsible
and edifying way. Parents are responsible for how their children make use of these
things.

98 John 13:14
99 Romans 16:16, 1 Corinthians 16:20, 2 Cor. 13:12, 1 Thessalonians 5:26, 1 Peter 5:14, Galatians 2:9)
100 Romans 12:2
101 Luke 16:15
102 1 Timothy 2:9-10
103 1 Corinthians 11:3-16

We do not believe our families and our community should have free or unlimited access
to the Internet. We believe the use of public television to be more harmful than profitable, and reject its use altogether. Fire arms, if used among us, shall never be stored or considered as weapons of self defence. Only responsible people shall use them where necessary.

Money
We believe ourselves responsible for all money that passes through our hands.
Everything we spend on ourselves that we do not need, we rob from the person that
needs it.

We believe we should give, collectively, of our money as needs arise and the Lord
provides. However, there are countless ways our members may give of their time, their
resources, and their abilities to people both inside and outside our community. We
encourage all to give freely to others as we have freely received.104

We believe we should leave no debt outstanding except the debt to love one another.105

Therefore we feel responsible to pay all money we borrow on the date agreed, and to
return borrowed items as soon as we are done using them. People wishing to join our
community should make arrangements to pay off their debts before they become fully
integrated in its economy. We do not object to people living among us but working
elsewhere if the situation demands it—every case being worked through as it comes.
We do not find it inconsistent with what we believe to accept government assistance in
programs designed to help the general populace. We do not believe, however, that we
should make use of collecting agencies in any circumstance, or declare bankruptcy. All
our members, whether newly arrived or of long standing, need to pay what taxes, bills,
or the cost of goods and services they have incurred.106

None of our members draws government benefits for unemployment or old age
pensions. Neither do we place our elderly in homes for the aged. We do not believe it
would be right to shirk our duties one to another by depending on outside help.107

The holding of some insurance policies, where we live, is mandatory. Other
arrangements for help in case of fire, accident or drought may be good stewardship of
what the Lord has entrusted into our care. But “cursed is the one who trusts in man, who
depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the Lord. . . . blessed
is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him. He will be like a tree
planted by the water that sends out his roots by the stream. It does not fear when heat
comes, its leaves are always green. It has no worries in a year of drought and never fails
to bear fruit.”108

104 Matthew 10:8, Acts 20:35
105 Romans 13:8
106 Romans 13:7
107 1 Timothy 5:8
108 Jeremiah 17:5-8

We believe the Lord allows us, his children, to suffer hardship and poverty for our good.
Jesus was poor. He worked among the poor and pronounced on them his blessing.109
But he cursed the rich,110 and said it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a
needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.111
We do not take material prosperity as a sign of God’s blessing and approval, or material
want as a sign of his disfavour.

The Future
We believe all things will be restored, in heaven and on earth, when Jesus comes again.
That is, all things will be like God intended them to be when he created the earth.112

How all this will happen, or how end-time events will unfold, has not yet been fully
revealed. For this reason we discourage speculation about end-time events, the
restoration of Israel, the thousand-year reign, and the “rapture” of the children of God.
The “Israel of God”113 (those who are Jews “not outwardly, according to the flesh, but
inwardly by the Spirit”114) are God’s chosen people of the New Covenant. Those that
believe in and live for Jesus Christ, those that will reign with him, are today’s “children
of Abraham,115 and many of those who say they are Jews are in fact “of the synagogue
of Satan.”116

We believe the only way for a Jewish person to become an heir of the promise, a child
of God, or a citizen of his Heavenly Kingdom is to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.117
All Jews may be saved, but all that reject Jesus, reject God, and forfeit their claims to
the promises God made to their ancestors.118

We believe the Messiah’s Kingdom is a spiritual kingdom involving this planet, the
heavens, the universe and all things in it,119 not just an earthly nation (the nation of
Israel) built with fighter planes, tanks, bombs, and guns. We believe the Kingdom has
already come, but that it will come in unspeakably greater power and peace when all
creation is restored and Jesus appears among us to reign on the earth.120

Rather than speculate on worldly politics and passing events of the age, we encourage
our members to watch and pray because we know not the day or the hour when the Lord shall reappear.121

We warn our members against a naïvely literal understanding of prophetic Scripture—
such as taking the picture of “the bride, the Lamb’s wife” in Revelation 21, the “new

109 Luke 6:20-21
110 Luke 6:24-26
111 Matthew 19:23-24
112 Acts 3:19-21
113 Galatians 6:16
114 Romans 2:28-29
115 Galatians 3:26-29
116 Revelation 2:9
117 Acts 4:12
118 Matthew 21:43-44
119 Daniel 7:9-14, Ephesians 1:18-23
120 Isaiah 9:6-7
121 Matthew 25:13

Jerusalem that came down out of heaven from God” to be a literal picture of heaven
itself. All Scripture, we believe, must be understood in the light of all other Scriptures.
We believe we shall all stand before the judgement seat of Christ.122 According to what
we have done, we will live forever with Christ in a fully restored creation, in new
heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwells—or we shall be destroyed with
Satan in hell.123

Note on this Statement
As a Christian church at Rocky Cape we commit ourselves to periodically reviewing
this statement of what we believe and how we live. If any further light is given to us, if
more information becomes necessary on any subject, or if we must change a position in
the light of Scripture and the Spirit’s leading, we will do so.
Our final word is the teaching of Jesus Christ and the Apostles as given in the New
Testament. Based on that we also honour and accept as our own the statement written
by Peter Riedemann, Rechenschaft unsrer Religion, Lehre, und Glaubens, at Marburg in Germany, in 1540-41, the Fünf Artikel written by Peter Walpot in Moravia in 1545-1547, and the Brüderliche Vereinigung drawn up at Schleitheim in Switzerland in 1527.
“We are not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes; first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a
righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,
just as it is written, ‘The righteous will live by faith.’” (Romans 1:16-17).

122 Romans 14:10
123 John 5:28-29


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I like a lot of what I read in this list from Rocky Cape.
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Most Anabaptists wouldn't start with one of the creeds like that. Some, like Brethren, avoid creeds altogether.
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The Holy Spirit
We recognise the Spirit of Jesus (the Holy Spirit) as God. We expect all our members
to bear the fruit of the Spirit, and to seek his gifts. We recognise the gifts of healing, of prophecy, of speaking in tongues, and others mentioned in the New Testament as evidence of God’s work among us. But we do not recognise anyone or anything as “spiritual” that stands in contradiction to New Testament order.

We expect all believers to bear the same fruit of the Spirit, but we expect the Spirit will give them different gifts—according to their needs, and the needs of the local church to which they belong.
I appreciate the inclusion of seeking the gifts of the Spirit. I know this can be a controversial topic and that such gifts can be misused, abused, or even faked, but if we are truly seeking to follow all the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles and be Kingdom Christians, it is crucial that we not overlook what was clearly a vital part of the New Testament church. Yet we must not contradict New Testament order (a very good fact to point out).

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Heirbyadoption wrote: Brothers - short hair, encouraged to let their beard grow
My question relates specifically to the comment encouraged to let their beard grow. While I take no issue with someone growing a beard, I would like to hear thoughts on why we would want this be included on the list. I don't believe Jesus or the Apostles mention anything about men letting their beards grow. Is this more of a cultural/traditional practice in Anabaptist circles or is it based on Leviticus 19:27 and 21:1-5? Or perhaps both? For those who don't wear beards, what is the justification for not doing so?
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The only thing more convoluted than requiring men to grow beards is hearing the justifications for requiring men to be clean-shaven...
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Adam wrote:
Heirbyadoption wrote: Brothers - short hair, encouraged to let their beard grow
My question relates specifically to the comment encouraged to let their beard grow. While I take no issue with someone growing a beard, I would like to hear thoughts on why we would want this be included on the list. I don't believe Jesus or the Apostles mention anything about men letting their beards grow. Is this more of a cultural/traditional practice in Anabaptist circles or is it based on Leviticus 19:27 and 21:1-5? Or perhaps both? For those who don't wear beards, what is the justification for not doing so?
I wear a beard and I have a few reasons. Coming from the world and not having any other headcovering people around, when my wife first started wearing one she turned to me and said if she wears one - could I grow a beard? I was willing to do this as an encouragement and support to her. I was a bit self-conscious about not cleaning up for service when we went to go to a Mennonite church for the first time that was an hour away at that time from where we were living. Near the end of the service I all of sudden realized that everybody had a beard... It was a Holdeman church. :lol:

Another reason is that it is God's design - I don't actually let it grow as it grows by God's design rather than me letting it.

One church we attended didn't like it so I did shave. They said trending styles of how the beard was cut was drawing undone attention to self. My daughter said I looked like a woman when I shaved... :?

We see in scripture that they plucked the hairs from His face - implying He had a beard. It has actually helped start conversation about Christ with this pointing to Him.

When I shaved it caused me to spend an unhealthy amount of time in front of the mirror...

From the culture I was raised in the only reason to shave was to look good(not condemning anyone else that does shave.)

But with all this said I still don't know if I like it for a church standard either way, rather these are my personal feelings and don't really feel comfortable imposing this on anyone in the church and am open to shaved or bearded as long as whatever style it is that it doesn't have any effort within it to draw attention to self (like trending styling of beards.)
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I apologize, I haven't been able to get on here much lately. I suppose I should touch on Adam's question, since it may have been derived from my suggested list early on. I am in agreement that letting the beard grow doesn't need to be a required standard - let it be noted I only suggested that it be encouraged. Among my particular stra

There are 5 possibilities for how Scripture addresses letting the beard grow:
1. The beard is forbidden.
2. The beard is not forbidden, but it is addressed negatively.
3. The Scriptures are silent or neutral about the beard.
4. The beard is not commanded, but it is addressed positively.
5. The beard is commanded.

I suggest that if you study the Scriptures, (and if you can, church history as well), you'll find that the question of men letting their beards grow definitely has positive implication/encouragement. But in light of the name and primary people group of this forum (hint, the ones that start with an M), letting the beard grow has at least a century or two (or more, depending on your particular ancestors) of cultural practice against it and ecclesiastical regulations forbidding it, and occasionally strong attempts to disprove it. It's a tough hill to climb for anybody with the cultural ties Anabaptists tend to have (even subconsciously).

Adam, if you are still interested, I'd be glad to expand on the subject.
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Wade wrote:Another reason is that it is God's design - I don't actually let it grow as it grows by God's design rather than me letting it.
My hair at the back of my head likes to stand straight away from my head. For over 40 years I and my family members have been trying to get it to lie down flat on my head instead of sticking straight out. People think I look funny, or think I just crawed out of bed, or think I don't care enough about being presentable if I simply allow God's design in this aspect of my life.

Any advice for me?
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Adam wrote:
The Holy Spirit
We recognise the Spirit of Jesus (the Holy Spirit) as God. We expect all our members
to bear the fruit of the Spirit, and to seek his gifts. We recognise the gifts of healing, of prophecy, of speaking in tongues, and others mentioned in the New Testament as evidence of God’s work among us. But we do not recognise anyone or anything as “spiritual” that stands in contradiction to New Testament order.

We expect all believers to bear the same fruit of the Spirit, but we expect the Spirit will give them different gifts—according to their needs, and the needs of the local church to which they belong.
I appreciate the inclusion of seeking the gifts of the Spirit.

I know this can be a controversial topic and that such gifts can be misused, abused, or even faked,

but if we are truly seeking to follow all the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles and be Kingdom Christians, it is crucial that we not overlook what was clearly a vital part of the New Testament church.

Yet we must not contradict New Testament order (a very good fact to point out).


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