Comprehensive List of Churches/History

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YorkandAdams
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Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby YorkandAdams » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:04 pm

Hello Everyone,

As I mentioned in my intro post, I am fairly new to the conservative mennonite sphere and am trying to gather as much info as possible specifically on conservative churches in my area. My local congregation has been extremely helpful providing detailed information, but I would like to know what is actually documented so that I am not doing work that has already been done. So far I have used pilgrim and G.A.M.E.O. in order to locate, study, and update information for the churches in my area, but I keep hearing there are larger databases that might be available. CLP and Cory Anderson's are the other ones I have heard mentioned. Could someone maybe fill me in on what these databases have that pilgrim or G.A.M.E.O. does not? Any single database more comprehensive than the others?

Or maybe the best question to ask is....
What resources do we currently have that can be used to identify and profile conservative mennonite churches?

Thanks!
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Josh
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Re: Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby Josh » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:50 pm

Cory's database is the most complete but is a few years out of date. Myself and ernie have fairly complete databases for our areas. There are a few people who would have a great deal more information on specific subgroups, eg Mark Fitzgerald would know a lot about Brethren, Mark Earnest Burr seems to know every detail about Anabaptist groups in Ontario, and so forth.
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Ernie
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Re: Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby Ernie » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:28 pm

Pilgrim Ministry uses CLP's directory which is basically the Mennonite and Amish-Mennonite folks they feel comfortable associating with.
Sword and Trumpet published a directory for awhile that listed all the other Mennonite groups, but their last issue was 2012.

Anderson's directory lists all plain Anabaptists that he was aware of at the time of publishing.
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Judas Maccabeus
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Re: Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby Judas Maccabeus » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:49 pm

Ernie wrote:Pilgrim Ministry uses CLP's directory which is basically the Mennonite and Amish-Mennonite folks they feel comfortable associating with.
Sword and Trumpet published a directory for awhile that listed all the other Mennonite groups, but their last issue was 2012.

Anderson's directory lists all plain Anabaptists that he was aware of at the time of publishing.


The IRS has a database of all groups that have qualified for a social security tax exemption. It was released under a FOIA request by a reporter during the "Obamacare" debate. I came into possession of it. It largely mirrors Cory's.

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francis
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Re: Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby francis » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:08 pm

A lot of them were approved before obamacare (the databse says 2005 for many of them.)
Link here: www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/SSAGroups.xls
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Josh
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Re: Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby Josh » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:43 pm

francis wrote:A lot of them were approved before obamacare (the databse says 2005 for many of them.)
Link here: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/SSAGroups.xls


A lot of them were approved in 1950.
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YorkandAdams
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Re: Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby YorkandAdams » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:17 am

francis wrote:A lot of them were approved before obamacare (the databse says 2005 for many of them.)
Link here: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/SSAGroups.xls


I am supprised there was not more brethren groups. This is really useful thanks!
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Josh
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Re: Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby Josh » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:44 am

YorkandAdams wrote:
francis wrote:A lot of them were approved before obamacare (the databse says 2005 for many of them.)
Link here: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/SSAGroups.xls


I am supprised there was not more brethren groups. This is really useful thanks!


Do Brethren typically opt out of Social Security? Holdemans don't.
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YorkandAdams
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Re: Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby YorkandAdams » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:45 pm

Josh wrote: Do Brethren typically opt out of Social Security? Holdemans don't.


Yes they do (at least for the more conservative denominations). I was able to find several different brethren groups in the list but each group only had a few churches listed. maybe the list is too outdated (latest update was 2009).
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Josh
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Re: Comprehensive List of Churches/History

Postby Josh » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:49 pm

YorkandAdams wrote:
Josh wrote: Do Brethren typically opt out of Social Security? Holdemans don't.


Yes they do (at least for the more conservative denominations). I was able to find several different brethren groups in the list but each group only had a few churches listed. maybe the list is too outdated (latest update was 2009).


Seems unlikely if only a few churches are listed.

If a church has a large number of formerly Amish members, it will inherit their burden to retire without SS and often will show up on the list. I can think of some MC USA and CMC type churches who are on the list that meet this description.

There's even one Reformed church on there.
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