History reveals how Authoritarianism usually develops and what one can do if facing it?

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History reveals how Authoritarianism usually develops and what one can do if facing it?

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From a recent article...
"The key to the rise of authoritarians, they explained, is their use of language and false history.

Authoritarians rise when economic, social, political, or religious change makes members of a formerly powerful group feel as if they have been left behind. Their frustration makes them vulnerable to leaders who promise to make them dominant again. A strongman downplays the real conditions that have created their problems and tells them that the only reason they have been dispossessed is that enemies have cheated them of power.

Such leaders undermine existing power structures, and as they collapse, people previously apathetic about politics turn into activists, not necessarily expecting a better life, but seeing themselves as heroes reclaiming the country. Leaders don’t try to persuade people to support real solutions, but instead reinforce their followers’ fantasy self-image and organize them into a mass movement. Once people internalize their leader’s propaganda, it doesn’t matter when pieces of it are proven to be lies, because it has become central to their identity.

As a strongman becomes more and more destructive, followers’ loyalty only increases. Having begun to treat their perceived enemies badly, they need to believe their victims deserve it. Turning against the leader who inspired such behavior would mean admitting they had been wrong and that they, not their enemies, are evil. This, they cannot do.

Having forged a dedicated following, a strongman warps history to galvanize his base into an authoritarian movement. He insists that his policies—which opponents loathe—simply follow established natural or religious rules his enemies have abandoned. Those rules portray society as based in hierarchies, rather than equality, and make the strongman’s followers better than their opponents. [They believe] Following those “traditional” rules creates a clear path for a nation and can only lead to a good outcome. Failing to follow them will lead to terrible consequences. [They believe]" - Heather Cox Richardson
(I've inserted a few parentheticals and the bold highlighting)

The easy reading of this is to put a personal outgroup into the "they/them" slot...
The harder, but maybe more personal growth/self-evaluation approach. is to put myself in that slot, and ask myself what rhetoric/emotional appeals/events/sinful inclinations put ME into the they/them slot?

For a quick one off the cuff, I thought of the centrist/moderate Republican, whom I would have some affinity with on numerous areas/policies... In some ways I can consider them one of my in-groups or at least adjacent to. And they used to be very powerful, if not utterly dominant within that tent. No more. So according to the above narrative, possibly vulnerable to a strongman "hero"...

I invite you to consider these questions for yourself (and try to avoid only applying to someone out there...)
PS Alongside this reading, I've been listening to a podcast (Real Dictators) and their episodes on Spain's Franco. Imo confirmation that history can repeat itself if enough are unaware. One of the reasons I post this in History...
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A history that looks back to a mythologized past as the country’s perfect time is a key tool of authoritarians. It allows them to characterize anyone who opposes them as an enemy of the country’s great destiny. - Heather Cox Richardson
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.. Failing to follow them will lead to terrible consequences. [They believe]" -
Heather Cox Richardson
^^DNC mission statement?

Is this peccadillo the source for your OP quote:

New Republic / “The Fight for Our America”
There have always been two Americas. One based in religious zeal, mythology, and inequality; and one grounded in rule of the people and the pursuit of equality. This next election may determine which one prevails.
https://newrepublic.com/article/175736/ ... or-america

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Yet the Biden Justice Department remains indifferent, as if the issue were merely the personal peccadillos of the president’s ne’er-do-well son, Hunter.
—Andrew C. McCarthy, National Review, 25 May 2023

His audiences know that family peccadilloes are a cornerstone of that material, which nestles this fictional exploration of similar subject matter firmly in his comfort zone.
—Todd Gilchrist, Variety, 24 May 2023

But as the capital merry-go-round spun its peccadilloes, scandals and ballyhooed promises, his jaunty baritone restored order with bipartisan japes and irreverent songs to deflate the preening ego and the Big Idea. Presidents from Eisenhower to Trump caught the flak.
—Robert D. McFadden, New York Times, 30 Mar. 2023

peccadillo
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peccadillo
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Most or all of this drama, humiliation, wasted taxpayer money could be spared -
with even modest attempt at presenting balanced facts from the start.


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Jazman wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:52 pmI invite you to consider these questions for yourself (and try to avoid only applying to someone out there...)
PS Alongside this reading, I've been listening to a podcast (Real Dictators) and their episodes on Spain's Franco. Imo confirmation that history can repeat itself if enough are unaware. One of the reasons I post this in History...
What's wrong with Franco? He fought the Communists who would have otherwise run over Spain.

I don't think another Communist state in Europe would have been a good thing. Do you think Communists running countries is a good outcome?
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Josh wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:05 pm
Jazman wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:52 pmI invite you to consider these questions for yourself (and try to avoid only applying to someone out there...)
PS Alongside this reading, I've been listening to a podcast (Real Dictators) and their episodes on Spain's Franco. Imo confirmation that history can repeat itself if enough are unaware. One of the reasons I post this in History...
What's wrong with Franco? He fought the Communists who would have otherwise run over Spain.

I don't think another Communist state in Europe would have been a good thing. Do you think Communists running countries is a good outcome?
Good point, Josh. I think though that some of Franco’s policies were the reason for his reputation today. Looking back, many of today’s policies resemble Franco’s, especially in the areas of suppressing free speech on social media. I think that were he alive today, Franco would certainly have joined the current efforts to enlist FB in suppression of free speech.
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Josh wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:05 pm
Jazman wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:52 pmI invite you to consider these questions for yourself (and try to avoid only applying to someone out there...)
PS Alongside this reading, I've been listening to a podcast (Real Dictators) and their episodes on Spain's Franco. Imo confirmation that history can repeat itself if enough are unaware. One of the reasons I post this in History...
What's wrong with Franco? He fought the Communists who would have otherwise run over Spain.

I don't think another Communist state in Europe would have been a good thing. Do you think Communists running countries is a good outcome?
But, as I understand it from some study, the democratically elected Republic that Franco rebelled against and fought a civil war against, wasn't all Communist... yes, it had multiple political parties, including some Communists...and yes the USSR lent support to that, and from what I can tell, that was more a USSR choice than a defenders-of-the-Republic choice. Most of them would have preferred more help from the US/Britian/France etc, ie the non-communist West. But the Republic as a coalition / parliamentary system with multiple parties of different stripes. Painting everyone that resisted Franco as "Communist" was a savvy marketing/propaganda tool but it wasn't true... Spain would have been better off under the Republic than under Franco. It suffered greatly because of his rebellion and dictatorship. I'm sure the Republic wasn't perfect... various problems may have revealed over time... but did the Republic have dictator figure that was planning to rule for 30-40yrs or did it have elections? Did it have representative gov features and processes? Did it try to separate powers to some extent? Did it try to separate church & state? Did it try to release other religions, including Protestants from the heavy hand of the Catholic Church? If it was attempting some of those good things... then "communist" may not be the best descriptor of the entity Franco crushed (with still being discovered violence and brutality).
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temporal1 wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:49 pm
.. Failing to follow them will lead to terrible consequences. [They believe]" -
Heather Cox Richardson
^^DNC mission statement?

Is this peccadillo the source for your OP quote:

New Republic / “The Fight for Our America”
There have always been two Americas. One based in religious zeal, mythology, and inequality; and one grounded in rule of the people and the pursuit of equality. This next election may determine which one prevails.
https://newrepublic.com/article/175736/ ... or-america

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Yet the Biden Justice Department remains indifferent, as if the issue were merely the personal peccadillos of the president’s ne’er-do-well son, Hunter.
—Andrew C. McCarthy, National Review, 25 May 2023

His audiences know that family peccadilloes are a cornerstone of that material, which nestles this fictional exploration of similar subject matter firmly in his comfort zone.
—Todd Gilchrist, Variety, 24 May 2023

But as the capital merry-go-round spun its peccadilloes, scandals and ballyhooed promises, his jaunty baritone restored order with bipartisan japes and irreverent songs to deflate the preening ego and the Big Idea. Presidents from Eisenhower to Trump caught the flak.
—Robert D. McFadden, New York Times, 30 Mar. 2023

peccadillo
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peccadillo
Temp, did you try this? (Actually the main point of my post, if you missed it...)
The easy reading of this is to put a personal outgroup into the "they/them" slot...
The harder, but maybe more personal growth/self-evaluation approach. is to put myself in that slot, and ask myself what rhetoric/emotional appeals/events/sinful inclinations put ME into the they/them slot?
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Josh wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:05 pm
Jazman wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:52 pmI invite you to consider these questions for yourself (and try to avoid only applying to someone out there...)
PS Alongside this reading, I've been listening to a podcast (Real Dictators) and their episodes on Spain's Franco. Imo confirmation that history can repeat itself if enough are unaware. One of the reasons I post this in History...
What's wrong with Franco?
Franco would be happy that you think he only fought against "Communists"... sure, some of his opponents were communists, although it seems they may have been the smaller or smallest? part of the coalition arrayed against him. But fighting communists doesn't therefore make one a good person... Hitler fought communists too. The US Army in Vietnam fought some communists too and I, along with many americans now and in the past think our involvement in Vietnam was a mistake.
But besides all of that, here's some more concrete history about Franco... what's wrong with Franco? Indeed... (We need more clear-eyed world & religious history taught in our churches...imo)
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temporal1 wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:49 pm
.. Failing to follow them will lead to terrible consequences. [They believe]" -
Heather Cox Richardson
^^DNC mission statement?

Is this peccadillo the source for your OP quote:

New Republic / “The Fight for Our America”
There have always been two Americas. One based in religious zeal, mythology, and inequality; and one grounded in rule of the people and the pursuit of equality. This next election may determine which one prevails.
https://newrepublic.com/article/175736/ ... or-america

- - - - - - -
Yet the Biden Justice Department remains indifferent, as if the issue were merely the personal peccadillos of the president’s ne’er-do-well son, Hunter.
—Andrew C. McCarthy, National Review, 25 May 2023

His audiences know that family peccadilloes are a cornerstone of that material, which nestles this fictional exploration of similar subject matter firmly in his comfort zone.
—Todd Gilchrist, Variety, 24 May 2023

But as the capital merry-go-round spun its peccadilloes, scandals and ballyhooed promises, his jaunty baritone restored order with bipartisan japes and irreverent songs to deflate the preening ego and the Big Idea. Presidents from Eisenhower to Trump caught the flak.
—Robert D. McFadden, New York Times, 30 Mar. 2023

peccadillo
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peccadillo
No, the source I quote is not the New Republic... And I'm not sure what peccadillo or anything related to Biden's family have to do with what I quoted?
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It’s amazing how die-hard leftists are still griping about the places they didn’t win like Spain and Chile and endlessly whining about the “dictators” there.

I have yet to see any of y’all put forth the same dedication to the atrocities that happened under Stalin, Lenin, and Mao, to name a few, not to mentioned the complete disaster of Poland, Hungary and other countries under communism. I cannot fathom why anyone would think adding Spain to the list would somehow be better.
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I'm not sure Franco was much better than the Communists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Spain)
In the history of Spain, the White Terror (Spanish: Terror Blanco; also known as the Francoist Repression, la Represión franquista) describes the political repression, including executions and rapes, which were carried out by the Nationalist faction during the Spanish Civil War (1936–1939), as well as during the first nine years of the regime of General Francisco Franco. In the 1936–1975 period, Francoist Spain had many officially designated enemies: Loyalists to the Second Spanish Republic (1931–1939), Liberals, socialists of different stripes, Protestants, intellectuals, homosexuals, Freemasons, Romanis, Jews, Basque, Catalan, Andalusian and Galician nationalists.

The Francoist Repression was motivated by the right-wing notion of a limpieza social, a cleansing of society. This meant that the killing of people viewed as enemies of the state began immediately upon the Nationalists' capture of a place. Ideologically, the Roman Catholic Church legitimized the killing by the Civil Guard (national police) and the Falange as the defense of Christendom.
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