temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:44 amthe same old fallen nature has not disappeared.PetrC:
Well, all this is bygone. What aches us now:
the same old sins damage and destroy.
MLK Jr’s worst mistake was (i believe) inadvertantly leading his flock to seek after government (not God) for answers.
MLK Jr was fully human and a sinner.
i don’t believe he intended the destruction of faith and family and churches that followed his death, even in his name.
PetrC,temporal1 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:13 pmi agree, repetition of sins+crimes, errors, is common to mankind. It requires vigilance to resist.PetrChelcicky wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:59 pm What interests me is above all:
Can Christians be re-seduced to support Bolshevism a second time? And I think that yes, they can.
Mostly by the promise of "social harmony" without all those nasty conflicts we have in Western countries.
And most Christians will not look too deep into how thiat social harmony is made (namely by suppression).
I just found Phil Gorski's definition of a "democratic citizen" as someone who is "working with others to pursue the common good".
That's just that trap, appealing to a (typically Christian) wish for social harmony.
God is patient, He want all to repent and submit to Him. 2Peter3:9 https://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-9.htm
i agree, too, Christians long for social harmony, many attempts (at utopias) have been made over time.
it can be a trap.
on earth, authentic faith is never “done.” it’s a work in progress, it requires vigilance. 1Peter5:8 https://biblehub.com/1_peter/5-8.htm
This is your thread, your OP, i understand your interest to be about God, Christian faith, works, humankind?
i wince when presumptions, arguments, “facts” are presented which swirl around, “IT HAD TO BE” this or that human law, for whatever reason given, IT HAD TO BE, IT HAS TO BE. It’s a command to bully thoughts+discussions, it quickly leads to all manner idol worship. Christians beware.
Christians believe: No. It doesn’t (have to be such+such). God provides in all circumstances.
God promises He is ever-present, ever offering His way, ever providing. Which often doesn’t look like human reasoning.
He is present at all times. Scriptures reflect this throughout.
On the matter of MLK and U.S. history, no study can be complete without inclusion of a heavy dose of THOMAS SOWELL,
who was a black adult in the 1960’s; older than me, but like me, he came out of poverty, unlike me, he went on to acquire a great education, became a bonafide economist and academic, he has written a number of books, and, fortunately, has a number of interviews on videos.
TS was born 1930-living, MLK Jr 1929-1968. They were contemporaries.
MLK Jr did not live to see outcomes of his life. TS has written a lot about those outcomes.
To repeat, no study of this period can honestly be accomplished without ample inclusion of Thomas Sowell.
Equity: Thief of human potential - Thomas Sowell
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Thomas Sowell
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(PRESENTISM) Bill Maher
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i was a young teen in the 60’s, i went to culturally and racially mixed public schools, lived in a racially mixed neighborhood.
my father was mysteriously deathly ill for a year when i was 13-14, i didn’t follow politics, but was aware of some puzzling things happening in the world around me - things based on race that were puzzling. We students and neighbors were being formally divided, based on skin color. In the name of equity/equality. Because of bad things that happened (in the south?)
It was so odd (for me, personally). i was so young, trying to live a double life. At home, extreme duress, at school, working hard (including working hard to not reflect duress at home). There were no food stamps or other in those days. It was puzzling to see some classmates suddenly be separated out as different. i got permission to begin working at the nearby hospital the day i turned 14. Also a mixed environment, employees and patients!
It was not utopia! There were occasional clashes, like, boys fighting after school, etc. Everyone was expected to behave and perform in school, obey laws. Divorce was taboo and uncommon across the board. Across cultures and faiths, basic morality was similar enough that public schools and the public arena worked well.
The U.S. was never one homogenous country with one narrative for all. Never like Japan, Sweden, or Ethiopia.
The closest to that might have been REGIONAL differences .. much based on climate and geography and local economies, not race.
i have no idea if Thomas Sowell is a man of faith. He is intelligent, thoughtful, moral. Brave. Not motivated by greed.
He has sacrificed a lot to maintain his own opinions and observations. Riches, fame, personal and family safety. Really sad to think.
There are lots of others. His volume of work, its approachable presentation, makes him a cornerstone for study.
Scriptures assure Christians, God is present in all circumstances. No government can rightly claim, “It has to be our way.”
Only small-thinking persons claim, IT HAD TO BE, IT HAS TO BE. Words like this scream lack of faith in God our Creator.